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Hell is other people: performance management at Big Tech
- simonebrunozzi 3y agoI'd guess a lot of people would have their own special stories to tell. However, do not underestimate the fact that some of these stories might not be easily disclosed. A "friend of mine", let's call it Bob, decided to leave one of the big tech companies (call it "A"), and join another big tech company (call it "B"), which offers him exactly double the salary. Due to a very unlucky combination, a former colleague at A gives the 30-day notice, then announces it on Twitter, and then speaks with Bob, who tells him that he's just joined company B, but another company has a perfect job for his. He applies, gets his job, and tells people that Bob gave him a hand. Company A, as nasty as these big tech firm can be, decides that Bob needs to "receive a lesson" to avoid further "bleeding", or loss of other talent. See, my friend Bob was evidently quite popular when he was at A. So, A threatens to sue Bob, and company B, for breach of whatever. The next three months are extremely painful for Bob, who has to go through a third party security audit and let them go through all his files, emails, etc, to then end the process with a mutual agremeent in which B pays the costs of the audit, and all is clear and done. AAaaand, Bob is never to disclose anything about this, publicly, ever. I can tell you that Bob would love to tell this story, but alas, that's life. Back to me: I had corporate jobs for 12+ years in different countries, most notably the US, and now I run my own firm (a VC based in Venice, Italy, called Rialto). I'm so happy I don't have to deal with this kind of crap anymore. I wish all the Bobs in the world the same joy and freedom.
- ummonk 3y agoWas this in California?
- simonebrunozzi 3y agoyes, a decade or so ago.
- supriyo-biswas 3y agoI know of a similar case, the employee in question had to go through a similar process of questioning and audits just because they switched from FAANG A to B and somehow their manager came to know about it. After that incident, many members left the team for other companies; they’ve been careful to not update their LinkedIn page with the actual company that they’re working for. When asked, they often said that they were working for a small time firm, and declined to name which one it was. As for their manager, they often claimed that they were taking a career break or would be pursuing higher education.
- NBJack 3y agoThis is sadly some of the best advice you can ever give to someone in tech: never, *ever*, disclose the place you are going to. After the fact, when you arrive, sure, consider it. Eventually. But never before, and especially not before everything is signed and the ink is dry.
- maxnevermind 3y agoIn BigTech companies that don't want you to go to competitors HR will grill you to disclose where exactly you are leaving, at least that's what I heard from others.
- Paul-Craft 3y agoWhat, you mean as part of those "exit interviews" you can just decline to schedule?
- johnnyanmac 3y agoI mean, what are they going to do? Fire you if you do not disclose your next workplace?
- mlrtime 3y agoI'm a bit surprised to learn this isn't common knowledge. Don't say anything when you're leaving. Don't say where you're going, do NOT do the exit interview (Or do it but give the most generic positive answers only). Give 2 weeks and comply with all the work requests your manager gives you to exit clean. You might think it is sad it has to be this way, but this is business. You aren't breaking up with a romantic partner. There is only risk but disclosing more than needed. Finance people have known this for a very long time.
- neilv 3y agoThat sounds awful. I'm guessing Bob had signed some kind of employment agreement that included a clause about not being involved in other employees leaving? When I was trying to help draft a fair (startup) employment agreement document, I tried to ask HN about some of the clauses I'd seen (including one like might've bit Bob), but the post got zero traction. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26016445 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26016445
- mewziq 3y agoI took the Tim Leary approach. I’m so happy I don’t have to deal with the crap Bob or Simone deals with.
- paulddraper 3y agoBig tech or otherwise, non-solicits are no joke. Be aware of them, and their enforcement in your jurisdiction.
- wdr1 3y agoIANAL but my understanding is that they're generally not enforceable in California?
- paulddraper 3y agoYes, California and Illinois don't enforce non-solicits. Everywhere else in the US does. Sometimes limited, e.g. to a year.
- lmm 3y ago> AAaaand, Bob is never to disclose anything about this, publicly, ever. That kind of provision is usually unenforcable if not illegal. (Bob speaking of it would probably risk attracting meritless lawsuit, but frankly meritless lawsuits are a fact of life and us comfortable tech folks ought to be willing to brave them for the sake of society)
- felsokning 3y ago>That kind of provision is usually unenforcable if not illegal. I can emphatically tell you that I have a mutual non-disparagement clause with [REDACTED]; _and_ that these clauses seem to be routine enough to be included with most "resolution contracts", at least in Europe (<your favorite search engine here> results seem to indicate that these clauses are very popular in Europe). Most people don't have the equivalent resources (that business have) to fight these clauses; especially, where the resolution - itself - may haven taken so long that the person is essentially "glad" to have some modicum of restitution and sense of resolution. This means/infers that these clauses (generally) are de facto enforced by "better safe than sorry" scenarios. (Generally, whether they're legal and enforceable comes down to the clauses first having been breached and, then, being challenged in court. This means/infers effort, time, and money that the people these clauses tend to - generally - target don't have.)
- azmodeus 3y agoOne of the good reasons to be part of a union is to pool legal resources for such a scenario
- mlrtime 3y agoPerhaps, but I doubt any of this [and the article] happens in Union jobs. This is usually only for very competitive high skilled jobs which unions don't attract [in the US]. So I'm afraid Unions would not be any help here.
- ram_rar 3y agoI've observed this scenario occur frequently. The lesson I've learned is to remain silent until your new job in the new company stabilizes, and then, after some time, share the news with the world. This gives you 2 things 1. Time to acclimate to a new company. If things don't go as planned, there's always mostly the option to boomerang. 2. The likelihood of your previous employer imparting a 'lesson' significantly decreases.
- gnopgnip 3y agoIf this was in CA, since 2022 non disclosure agreements that restrict employees from disclosing mistreatment in the workplace are illegal. This applies retroactively.
- Paul-Craft 3y agoIf it's anywhere in the US, the NLRB recently ruled NDAs as part of separation agreements to be unenforceable.
- loevborg 3y agoOMG a VC in Venice. Do you have an actual office there? I'm jealous. Venice was the original Silicon Valley. Aldus Manutius's print shop is an example of Venetian high tech. A good proportion of Europe's books were printed in Venice in the early 1500s.
- simonebrunozzi 3y agoYes, I do. Love it here. And yes, lots going in Venice 4-5 centuries ago.
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- charles_f 3y ago> Bob is never to disclose anything about this, publicly, ever You got to appreciate here that not only A got their investigation done, paid for, and then on top of that didn't want the bad reputation of being a shit employer. Way for them to enjoy both their cake and the money for their cake!
- fromMars 3y agoI thought this originated at Microsoft long before Google with stack rankings of your team members.
- philiplu 3y agoI was at Microsoft from 1991 to 2007, almost always as an IC, and don't ever recall stack-ranking teammates. That was always something done by the managers, not the ICs. Even my short stint as a manager (with one report, lol), I wasn't on any of the stack-ranking meetings, thankfully.
- charles_f 3y agoNo. Microsoft is manager based. There's a peer feedback system but it's mostly useless
- risfriend 3y agoMicrosoft is manager centric. Even when they tried to move away from bell curve, it led to more power in the hands of manager by giving them the budget.
- lazyasciiart 3y agoAND Microsoft took it from Jack Welch at GE. https://www.businessinsider.com/stack-ranking-employees-is-a-bad-idea-2013-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/stack-ranking-employees-is-a...
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoStack ranking is different than peer review. Google used to have both, but got rid of stack ranking.
- seattle_spring 3y agoUgh spot on. I actually quite enjoyed the work I was doing at the Big Cos and Unicorns, and wouldn't mind doing it to this day. However, the culture that performance management wrought was so awful, it makes me not want to work in tech at all. The incentives they create are so perverse, it's sad how much they crush otherwise fun and innovative environments.
- mil22 3y agoSmall companies with better aligned incentives (equity incentives vs. bonus and promotion as the primary upside), indie work (and unrelatedly thereby also not giving away 80-90% of the value you create to the founders and VCs), or being a founder, is the answer, at least it was for me.
- cloudbonsai 3y ago> Small companies with better aligned incentives My previous company (~50 employees) did not have performance reviews at all; Instead, employees were handed out a blank spreadsheet with names of every personnel, and asked to fill who should get how much fraction of the bonus pool. The numbers were aggregated by CEO once a year, and bonuses were paid out accordingly. I liked the system when I worked there, because it served as a yearly check on how I was perceived. The results were sometimes brutal, though.
- nine_zeros 3y agoThe whole "fitting on a curve" thing is so awful and so stupid, tech companies engaging in it should be ashamed. It's like asking to rank every player on a soccer team. Gotta get rid of the goalkeeper because we decided to stack rank every one on goals - disregarding that everyone plays a different role on the team and the team can only win together.
- dasil003 3y agoThis is not a good analogy as professional sports is much easier to assess performance and also much much more ruthless in terms of being cut.
- nine_zeros 3y agoYes, it is not perfect analogy but it describes what team dynamics mean. Which is to say that team members work "together" to achieve goals. They are not competing against each other - as evaluated by performance review processes.
- cloche 3y agoIt's also not a good analogy because it compares across positions. Someone in marketing would not be compared against an engineer.
- mango7283 3y agoNo this is on point. Managers often have multiple people on different roles but are still forced to stack rank them as if they are equally comparable. The analogy is sound and illustrates the problem.
- nine_zeros 3y agoMarketing is a different job function, on a different team - in both engineering and in soccer. You are thinking members of the same team (soccer/engineering) vs members of different teams (marketing)
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- ergocoder 3y ago> The problem is that every employee is judged by their ability to get work done That's mostly not true.
- mil22 3y agoAgreed. The employee is rather judged by something like their peer's perception of how competent the employee is, their knowledge of the work the employee did, and their own belief of how important that work was, all filtered through their various cognitive biases about what work is important to the company and what a competent employee looks like. There are so many of these biases. As just one example, studies have shown more talkative people are perceived as being more intelligent, even when this is objectively not true. I will take the time to find references if anyone's curious; I recall an experiment in which a group discussion was held and participants were rated by their peers on intelligence. The experimenters then measured how talkative each person was during the discussion, and their actual intelligence was assessed via a standardized test. Peer's perceptions of intelligence were uncorrelated with actual intelligence, but strongly correlated with talkativeness. The result is that fast talking employees who focus on impression management, self-promotion, and securing juicier work - work that is of a quality or type more likely to be perceived as being important - at the expense of getting genuinely important but often less glamorous things done, and less things done overall, get rewarded. This problem is particularly pronounced in American culture where extraversion is already a highly regarded and arguably overvalued trait (e.g. show and tell). It's less of a problem in other cultures, e.g. European cultures, that place higher value on introversion (e.g. quiet work and study).
- rramadass 3y agoI think the entire field/practice of "Performance Management" as it stands today needs to be thrown out and reinvented from ground-up by Behavioural Psychologists/Biologists on a proper scientific base. The current practice is basically ad-hoc management with some so-called scientific methods/metrics thrown in based on the current fad. As an example; here is a long list of Cognitive Biases from wikipedia to ponder over - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
- neilv 3y ago> doubly so in places that attract talent through the mythos of only hiring the best. Does any job-seeker think of that in recent years? I can't think of a company who only hires the best, and I don't very often anymore see companies trying to claim that. I suspect job-seekers are thinking about compensation, career advancement, and what they'd be working on.
- waynesonfire 3y ago> see companies trying to claim that You're not paying attention. Did you see the Internet Brands return to home viral corp video they emberrassingly took down?
- neilv 3y agoI mean non-ridiculous companies/people claiming that. Google definitely used to have that mythos/meme (said by others, so the company didn't have to say it), but I don't hear anyone saying that recently.
- gurchik 3y agoNetflix does. I don't know any other company that is more honest than: > A dream team is one in which all of your colleagues are extraordinary at what they do and highly effective working together. [...] Dream teams are about performance, [...] Sustained “B” performance, despite an “A” for effort, gets a severance package with respect. https://jobs.netflix.com/culture https://jobs.netflix.com/culture
- neilv 3y agoI'd read that page a few months ago, and it started out compelling, but there were some off whiffs of culture that sounded like it might be more arrogance than meritocracy. (Maybe not, but it's a pattern elsewhere, and I was getting that vibe.) More recently, unrelated, I re-signed up for Netflix as a consumer, and almost immediately noticed several problems (most not explained by intentional dark patterns). So I'm not buying the self-proclaimed universal excellence.
- physhster 3y ago"as well as a handful of unlucky folks who deliver solid results but lack social grace and self-promotion skills" Which is coincidentally, usually, the most productive problem-solvers. The biggest talkers tend to not be doers, at least not in a way that is beneficial to the company, just themselves.
- bmallerd 3y agoFor some narrow definition of problem - sure.
- abc_lisper 3y agothe kind of problems startups solve. Not much talking there. Most of the talking at big companies seems like negotiating
- FuckPSC 3y agoPerformance reviews make sense for people at bat for promotion. They are overkill for the masses of tech workers who have reached their terminal level and aim for nothing more than a steady state of satisfactory, but not groundbreaking, contributions to the organization. For these people, their managers should be able to click a button and generate a ceremonial "keep up the good work" compensation letter with a new salary adjusted only for inflation. The rigmarole of self feedback, peer reviews, and calibration is needless overhead for the average employee getting a "Meets All."
- ThrowawayR2 3y ago> "...as well as a handful of unlucky folks who deliver solid results but lack social grace and self-promotion skills." Ironic that what was once the character archetype for geeky programmers have now become pariahs in the industry they pioneered. Now we all toot our own horns as loudly as we can, hoping to drown out our fellows, in search of the next bonus or job hop and devil take the hindmost. Introverted, have social anxiety, not neurotypical or simply don't like self-promotion, as is common among nerds? Yup, expect to get screwed good and hard.
- rramadass 3y agoThe original archetype was a completely overblown caricature (based on some outliers) and wasn't true mostly. It was just an image pushed by the industry so that "Engineers" can be kept out of "Business Decision-Making" and thus Controlled/Managed easily. But now as you say, self promotion is everything and has been taken so far that one cannot call oneself "A Programmer" but a "Rockstar/Ninja/10x/whatever Programmer" with superlative knowledge and insight into every problem domain and Technology. We all know our limitations but are not allowed to admit/work on them publicly since that might "out" oneself as "not good enough"; we have to become "posers/fakers" if we want to "play the game" and get ahead.
- jupp0r 3y ago> are not allowed to admit/work on them publicly since that might "out" oneself as "not good enough"; we have to become "posers/fakers" if we want to "play the game" and get ahead. I don't think that is true in the places I've worked at. Whether in interviews or in daily work, people only pretending to know things are not rewarded (unless nobody notices, but that means that nobody in the room is knowledgeable, which is a problem in itself). People not being transparent about the limits of their knowledge is a big red flag for me in interviews.
- rramadass 3y agoYou have either been very lucky or have a very optimistic viewpoint :-) These things are never overt (they get weeded out early) but subtle and one has to read between the lines (and take into consideration one's own biases) to correctly gauge someone else's depth. Enthusiasm should not be mistaken for Capability. The key for proper Management is to read Engineers correctly and provide Training (introductory or more) where they might be deficient/needed/based-on-company-domain without anybody asking for it explicitly. AFAIK nobody does this; you are supposed to be magically "productive" from day 1 and are expected to continue at a "high-level of productivity" independent of the stage of the project/product/your life problems/etc. which is an impossibility.
- bern4444 3y agoThe flip side to these performance cycles is all the time in between in which often very little actionable feedback is provided to engineers which makes the mid year and end of year reviews so difficult. Across 3 companies and 8 managers, I have yet to receive feedback that was productive in helping me understand what skills or track record is lacking and what is necessary to move up. Managers are (often) bad at providing actionable feedback let alone any feedback which leads to lots of blandness in 1:1s which translates to lots of blandness in mid year and end of year review cycles. I try and rectify this by finding quantitative data: impact on revenue (very difficult though most of the time), MRs merged, GitHub activity, tickets closed, projects led, initiatives taken, demos presented etc but this only goes so far. All this leads me to believe that at the end of the day promotions are decided by various levels of managers getting together with a few beers, deciding how many total promotions can take place due to budget, and going through a list of names while deciding based on their gut but of course this can't be admitted as the official process. It is frustrating that unlike other careers IE finance, law, medicine etc where performance can be directly tied to revenue (investment returns, client income, patient income) we have yet to design a standard for measuring impact for many software engineering roles.
- paulddraper 3y agoYeah, it's too bad there isn't a metric for creative endeavors.
- Towaway69 3y agoAs soon as creativity is measurable, it becomes bland and repetitive but highly profitable.
- mlrtime 3y agoThis isn't targeted at you directly however I have been on the other side of this. I've sometimes been too open with actionable feedback. What has bit me is that people say they want actionable feedback, but then get defensive or sometimes mildly hostile at any conceived criticism. This led me to be much more careful with feedback and only give it if I know they can take it. If you think you are one of these people and you receive feedback, just ask questions.. don't dig in and defend yourself.
- photochemsyn 3y agoThis article reminds me a bit of a 'ethics' issue in one of the top-name journals, Science or Nature, some years ago. Every article was about the ethics of sharing credit, granting tenure, awarding prizes, etc. Not a word about anything like the ethics of designing AI systems for the military to use in autonomous kill vehicles, reckless gain-of-function research with pathogenic microorganisms, etc. So, here we have a discussion of how to reward and advance employees who are most aligned with the corporation's overall or specific goals, and certainly that makes sense, you want the best people in the right jobs - but everyone else is looking at Big Tech and wondering just what the goals are these days. There seems to be a lot of effort directed towards establishing monopoly power, avoiding the rise of market competition, ensuring a future of lucrative government contracts, including a big move into military AI contracts... whatever happened to 'don't be evil'?
- paulddraper 3y ago> what the goals are these days Maximize shareholder value
- RugnirViking 3y agoin my experience its a little more like "maximise how much the largest shareholders' representatives will give me a big grin and tell me about their summer vacation plans and act all friendly with me" occasionally with a more cynical view towards getting them to pay me personally more money. (where "me" here means specifically the CEO and to a lesser extent the C-Suite. Variations and echoes of this incentive echo downwards where these people then take on the role of the important shareholders) This correlates somewhat with actually maximising shareholder value, but not that exactly. For example, short term profits are good, losses can be fine if you have a good story about why its good that key shareholders believe, etc.
- tjpnz 3y agoSuccess is mostly a function of which project you get dumped in. Spend six months singlehandedly cleaning up a compliance disaster waiting to happen and get told that while it was appreciated it didn't have any impact. Spend six months on a successful project with several launches and get promoted. There's no appreciation for the dirty work, no wonder why so little of it gets done.
- andromeduck 3y agoI think root problem here is trying to estimate the net present value of work that may take several quarters to play out. This forces everyone to be fairly conservative in their estimates and generally results in institutional high time prefrence. Idealy, comp would recognize and compensate the concrete/realized impact rather than expetcted impact but doing so would require that retroactive compensation be dependable implying either payout independent of present employmet status or long average tenures in lieu. In this enviroment, having people reguarly & annonymously assess/attribute the extent to which their work was enabled/assisted by their peers would be more straight forward.
- neilv 3y ago> The promise of a more egalitarian performance management process is a part of the mythos of Big Tech; but it’s also a fascinating study of painting oneself into a corner, unable to walk back. What other Big Tech cultural policies haven't worked out, but they're stuck with? And are those mimicked by countless other companies?
- josephg 3y agoArguably whiteboard interviews - which spread like wildfire after Google and Microsoft started doing them.
- rramadass 3y agoThe best way to study this is starting with Jeffrey Pfeffer's Leadership BS: Fixing Workplaces and Careers One Truth at a Time.
- neilv 3y agoThanks. I just read the sample, and looks promising. (Unfortunately, I don't see a no-DRM EPUB/PDF available for purchase, so no impulse purchase for me today.)
- rramadass 3y agoAlso checkout his other related books particularly; Dying for a Paycheck: How Modern Management Harms Employee Health and Company Performance and What We Can Do About It.
- dclowd9901 3y agoAbout halfway through this article I got to thinking: what if we measured reward as not just pay, but also responsibility. But no, I don’t mean “give this person more agency over others.” I mean “give this person more ability to execute on their own terms within the company.” Let’s say I’m an employee at company X. And I notice employee Anna is not just good at her work but also seems to have a keen understanding of working on things that deliver real, actual value to the company. I, along with others, say “this one… this one ‘gets it.’” What should an exec want to do with her? Give her more projects? Well, no, because she probably won’t like to work on the stupid bullshit execs or PMs come up with. How about make her a manager? In all likelihood, she won’t like that either, especially if she’s competent. We bring in PMs to deal with collaboration and coordination when the engineers get too busy doing actual work. So let’s just let her build shit. Let’s trust her to dig into the product, grab some people, and make things that customers will love. Let’s make her the CEO of her own little startup within the company. She can provision services and hardware. She can get licenses. Basically take roadblocks out of her way so she can just keep making to her heart’s content. That’s how you promote. That’s how you build value.
- anttiharju 3y agoHow do you scale that?
- beacon294 3y agoPremature scaling is the premature abstraction (the premature optimization) of the 21st century
- aeonik 3y ago1. Vertically, with training, drills, cybernetic implants, or performance enhancing drugs. 2. Horizontally, by finding more Anna's, or cloning her (more of a long term strategy). 3. Recursively, Anna identifies other Anna's and imbues them with the same power.
- bluejellybean 3y agowoah woah woah, let's be careful about these cowboys now - We NEED that bureaucracy in place for reasons!
- Der_Einzige 3y agoShameless self plug, but my GitHub handle is hellisotherpeople. I like to imagine a coding Sartre would have said “hell is other people’s code”
- egman_ekki 3y agoI think you should first consult the discussion on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39168105 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39168105 :) tl;dr: Hell is AI's code ;)
- roenxi 3y agoThere is no reliable method for evaluating developer performance, and involving a committee doesn't change that. Bearing that in mind it is important to cynically evaluate what these tools are for - a form of soft power for managers, so they have carrots and sticks to use when enforcing some sort of team discipline. There probably is some sort of objective "performance" that we can't measure directly. Some programmers are beasts and obvious pillars of a company. Others are disasters that need to be sacked. Most are in a grey area where they aren't obviously on an extreme. Any system can pick up this distinction and make the necessary decisions. But all the theatre isn't a tool for performance, it is a tool for discipline. No system can rank people over an unmeasureable metric.
- rramadass 3y ago> But all the theatre isn't a tool for performance, it is a tool for discipline. Well said! I think it is merely an attempt to have some sort of baseline at a aggregate level which is impossible at the individual level (without the cooperation of the Individual).
- theusus 3y agoMy company didn’t believe in peer feedback, but only manager’s. My manager used to absent-minded in almost all the places. So much, that he himself wasn’t aware of requirements. But someone had to take the blame. And it was turned on me. I protested and got fired. In the end, the article somehow protects individuals giving out review but I totally blame them for unfair review. As a manager it’s their responsibility to take notes and remain aware of things. This will allow them to see throw shallow goals one of them being “delivery”.
- fmajid 3y agoIn my company’s last round, the VP leading the effort (audience of engineering managers and senior ICs only) flat out stated feedback from managers doesn’t count, only from senior ICs. For engineers, at least. Unfortunately, senior ICs can play favorites and be toxic just as well as managers.
- theusus 3y agoFair, a better arrangement IMO will be review from seniors and assessment from manager.
- theusus 3y agoI would like to emphasize that VPs are capable of making statements and should be interpreted with care. By stating this, they effectively manipulate you by implying that your peers have already expressed the same opinion and thus disallow any protest.
- swagasaurus-rex 3y agoAnother big issue with performance reviews is how heavily biased they are to recency. People know not to rock the boat when performance reviews are coming up because a bad review will be used against you when layoffs start. Like the author says, performance reviews between co-workers can be unanimously positive because everybody who gets how the game works knows that any negative thing can be construed as a black mark. Co-workers are the only ones who actually know whether or not somebody is doing their job, doubly so if the employees have overlapping responsibilities. Day shift knows when night shift hasn't cleaned or prepped, and visa versa. A better approach than reviews would be a system of communication between night shift and day shift about what responsibilities are expected before handing off the shift. It's key that both sides feel like the responsibilities are fairly distributed. Disagreements may happen and some people may dig their heels in, so mediation can be helpful. What about performance evaluation? That's a made up corporate phrase to justify layoffs. We all went to school. In every group project there was one, or maybe more people that did no work. How does a teacher know which student did the work, and which ones didn't? Answer: They don't. Everybody has experienced this. The freeloaders get off scott free, because the teacher is not in a good vantage point to see the effort. Asking students to rank each other is also unhelpful because the freeloaders could outnumber the ones who actually do work. There is one foolproof method to spot freeloaders from those who actually do the work. The ones that are capable of doing the work can do most, if not all of the work themselves. After all, they had to since they were surrounded by freeloaders.
- steveBK123 3y agoIt absolutely encourages a lot of seasonality in work. The best thing to do is to not exert yourself too hard Jan/Feb, take on a new project March which has some planned deliveries for the fall, and hit the target no later than mid October. November and December can then be spent promoting the work you did Mar-Oct, review/comp season, and enjoying your holiday.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y agoIt's really sad to see all these people have to learn the hard way that it was all BS. This author had a great stunt many years ago, before he joined "Big Tech", where he set up a fake "startup company" website. Apparently he got lots of inquiries from easily duped people who thought it was real. These companies were BS back then and are still BS now. But lots more people have gotten duped. Many, many thousands. Easy money has blinded people from seeing the truth. There are only so many people that a company actually needs to run a search engine with ads that generates ~85% of their revenue along with other stuff that generates the remaining ~15%. To believe they truly need 139,000 or whatever the headcount is/was, that's just fantasy land. But that's what "Big Tech" is, a fantasy, just like the system described in this blog post. It's incredible how many people bought into it.
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoMost of us didn't buy into it. We were bought by it. A big paycheque and a comfortable workplace is a nice thing and hard to turn down.
- aiNohY6g 3y agoRelated: An updated meta-analysis of the interrater reliability of supervisory performance ratings. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2024-47758-001 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2024-47758-001
- jimberlage 3y agoThis is really good - lots of studies from I/O psychologists measuring at companies in this analysis. This makes a strong case for anonymous peer reviews in addition to the manager’s review (peer reviews are the most correlated with performance but the manager review is correlated as well.) If I read this correctly, this correlation is despite all the drawbacks people bring up in this thread, since they would be baked into these datasets too. Seems like you would want multiple anonymous peer reviews to try and get something predictive.
- DrScientist 3y agoThere is another problem with individual performance reviews - the tendency to favour self-promotion over team work. Having a system that relies on an element of peer feedback ameliorates this - as people then have to balance going around stealing credit versus maintaining that good feedback.
- happytiger 3y agoThere is a very large canyon between “good manager “ and “good leader,” especially in big tech. Many definitely do not cross pollinate. Let’s not fool ourselves: the answer is obvious. The skills that make you a manager are not usually authentic leadership skills in a large corporation. That actual leader is a very special person with usually a very special set of circumstances inside a big company. Most simply optimize to survive and fill their coffers.
- steveBK123 3y agoAnd don't forget the canyon between "average manager". I've had about 15-20 managers in my career. 3 were bad enough I'd never work for them again. ~5 of them I'd enthusiastically work for again. 1 of them is truly a good leader that I've seen move mountains. The rest are forgettably average.
- mlrtime 3y agoYour numbers sound like a normal distribution which makes sense. Would we expect all 20 to be in the 'move mountains' category? That wouldn't make sense.
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- SergeAx 3y agoThe thing is, performance management and performance review are ways to formalize promotion and firing decisions and protect the company from being dragged to court on those grounds. The truth is, every good enough manager of a 5-10-person team knows exactly who the best and the worst single performers are. Taking them out of the picture and repeating the process, they likely sort their reports on a performance scale with quite precision. (if you cannot do that, chances are that you are not a good enough manager) The devil is in the detail: explaining that sorting algorithm to the reports. Most of the time, it is impossible. Moreover, it is sometimes hard to argue with the worst underperformer if they are actively pushing back. That's why corporations need a formal process.