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| If you want to fight against non consensual AI porn, you need someone to be the face of it Isn't this just an emotionally charged way of suggesting people fi

| If you want to fight against non consensual AI porn, you need someone to be the face of it Isn't this just an emotionally charged way of suggesting people fight against artistic freedom, freedom of speech, etc? I have literally zero concern about someone making AI porn that looks like me (or my spouse, family, celebrities, politicians, etc). People have already had photoshop and before that imaginations. It's maybe a little weird, icky or uncomfortable to think about, but that's a small price to pay for living in a free liberal democracy. I'm far more concerned that this will give powerful people another tool to crack down on journalists, artists, activists, documentary filmmakers, etc. Or even just any independent creative who attempts to publish work outside of one of the major copyright cartel corporations.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
Whenever anyone says "I have literally zero concern about someone doing X about me" they should probably take a moment to check their privilege and consider first why someone else could be concerned about that. Maybe try a search. As an example, I searched for "effects of fake porn" and got the following article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202302/can-deepfake-porn-impact-your-life https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-... : Kristen Zaleski, Director of Forensic Mental Health at USC’s Keck Human Rights Clinic, recently told the Washington Post that she’s been working with a schoolteacher who lost her job after parents and administrators learned about deepfake porn using her likeness. : One recent study reports that 96 percent of deepfake victims are sexualized, and nearly all them are women, though males (especially politicians) and even children have also been abused in this way. The same research finds that many victims are harassed or extorted based on this artificially generated imagery. Are you male, by chance, and not a celeb or politician? Then you're not the target of fake porn, so are unlikely to have been exposed to the unexpected consequences of such. Edit to add another article: https://healthnews.com/mental-health/anxiety-depression/the-damage-caused-by-deepfake-porn/ https://healthnews.com/mental-health/anxiety-depression/the-... : What’s more chilling is that anyone can use deepfake porn technology to humiliate and degrade a woman sexually without her consent. The problem is becoming so widespread that a woman is not even safe going to the gym anymore without being at risk of having her photo taken without her consent and placed in a deepfake video. Can you step outside of your own point of view enough to imagine what such a scenario could do to a person who fears being made an object of lust or ridicule? If you can't, then just click the link and read down a little bit, because the article explicitly mentions the possible psychological harms.
- bsder 3y ago
  How about we also fix the fact that doing something legal outside job time can somehow result in you losing your job? With the amount of distribution the internet enables, it needs to get fixed.
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    For most things that a person would do outside their job I completely agree (general caveats for the likes of spokespeople, etcetera).
  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    Just realized you're commenting about the teacher. From the WP article: : “The parents at the school didn’t understand how that could be possible,” Zaleski said. “They insisted they didn’t want their kids taught by her anymore.” There's not much you can do if your clients insist on no longer working with you. It's also only a matter of time, if it hasn't been done yet, that a teacher and student will be targeted with deepfake porn that looks real. Even if it is eventually discovered to be fake, you're still dealing with a massively disruptive experience with mandatory leave during the investigation.
    - ryandrake 3y ago
      > “The parents at the school didn’t understand how that could be possible,” Zaleski said. I guess -a- root cause here is the general public’s ignorance of the capability of computer software. Not sure how to fix that besides giving it time. As soon as it’s widely accepted that computers can generate believable fake video, you’d expect deepfakes to be disregarded, but then again we’ve been saying “don’t believe what you see on the Internet” for how long and people still believe what they read on the Internet.
    - bsder 3y ago
      > There's not much you can do if your clients insist on no longer working with you. Then that's where the law needs to step in to protect people from the ignorant.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago

Whenever anyone says "I have literally zero concern about someone doing X about me" they should probably take a moment to check their privilege and consider first why someone else could be concerned about that. Maybe try a search. As an example, I searched for "effects of fake porn" and got the following article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202302/can-deepfake-porn-impact-your-life https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-... : Kristen Zaleski, Director of Forensic Mental Health at USC’s Keck Human Rights Clinic, recently told the Washington Post that she’s been working with a schoolteacher who lost her job after parents and administrators learned about deepfake porn using her likeness. : One recent study reports that 96 percent of deepfake victims are sexualized, and nearly all them are women, though males (especially politicians) and even children have also been abused in this way. The same research finds that many victims are harassed or extorted based on this artificially generated imagery. Are you male, by chance, and not a celeb or politician? Then you're not the target of fake porn, so are unlikely to have been exposed to the unexpected consequences of such. Edit to add another article: https://healthnews.com/mental-health/anxiety-depression/the-damage-caused-by-deepfake-porn/ https://healthnews.com/mental-health/anxiety-depression/the-... : What’s more chilling is that anyone can use deepfake porn technology to humiliate and degrade a woman sexually without her consent. The problem is becoming so widespread that a woman is not even safe going to the gym anymore without being at risk of having her photo taken without her consent and placed in a deepfake video. Can you step outside of your own point of view enough to imagine what such a scenario could do to a person who fears being made an object of lust or ridicule? If you can't, then just click the link and read down a little bit, because the article explicitly mentions the possible psychological harms.

bsder 3y ago
How about we also fix the fact that doing something legal outside job time can somehow result in you losing your job? With the amount of distribution the internet enables, it needs to get fixed.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  For most things that a person would do outside their job I completely agree (general caveats for the likes of spokespeople, etcetera).
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  Just realized you're commenting about the teacher. From the WP article: : “The parents at the school didn’t understand how that could be possible,” Zaleski said. “They insisted they didn’t want their kids taught by her anymore.” There's not much you can do if your clients insist on no longer working with you. It's also only a matter of time, if it hasn't been done yet, that a teacher and student will be targeted with deepfake porn that looks real. Even if it is eventually discovered to be fake, you're still dealing with a massively disruptive experience with mandatory leave during the investigation.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    > “The parents at the school didn’t understand how that could be possible,” Zaleski said. I guess -a- root cause here is the general public’s ignorance of the capability of computer software. Not sure how to fix that besides giving it time. As soon as it’s widely accepted that computers can generate believable fake video, you’d expect deepfakes to be disregarded, but then again we’ve been saying “don’t believe what you see on the Internet” for how long and people still believe what they read on the Internet.
  - bsder 3y ago
    > There's not much you can do if your clients insist on no longer working with you. Then that's where the law needs to step in to protect people from the ignorant.