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Okay, but what now?

jdietrich 3y ago
Stop burning stuff. Tell other people to stop burning stuff. Tell your representatives to work on alternatives to burning stuff. Don't invest in companies that burn a lot of stuff. Avoid waterfront property.
- Levitating 3y ago
  What's wrong with waterfront properties?
  - T-A 3y ago
    https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/study-rising-sea-levels-flood-nearly-650000-oceanfront-properties-us-by-2050 https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/study-rising-sea-...
  - sp332 3y ago
    A lot of them will be flooding on a regular basis.
    - Levitating 3y ago
      We've started realizing that just now in the Netherlands. My parents live in a neighborhood with waterfront properties. Almost everybody except my parents have water standing in their crawl space. One house has a flooded cellar.
      - c22 3y ago
        Just now?
  - javajosh 3y ago
    My all-time favorite response to this problem was I think from Ben Shapiro who said that people who experience flooding should just sell their houses and buy somewhere else and it won't be any big deal. Lol.
    - teamonkey 3y ago
      https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw
- 127361 3y ago
  Encourage other people (especially if you're in a developing country) not to have too many children. The absolutely unsustainable population levels worldwide are behind the climate and pollution crises. We are an incredibly destructive species to the planet. All countries, developing and developed are part of the problem. Not only that the overcrowding and fighting over limited resources causes psychosocial stress, which might explain the mental illness epidemic nowadays?
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    Medical condition gave me a built-in vasectomy, and my wife and I tried IVF (getting the sperm out without a vas deferens wasn't a fun surgery, FWIW) but it wasn't successful. You're welcome.
    - 127361 3y ago
      Yes, for me it's because of childrens' rights, I don't want my kids to potentially go through what I went through, including the soul crushing compulsory education system. I feel that natural learning is so much superior, if you can encourage and cultivate it. Coercion destroys the fun in learning and it teaches us how to procrastinate very well indeed. Treat people like slaves, and what do you expect? You get poor productivity as a result, too. Overall I think the treatment of children and young people in society is terrible and unjustified. It is inhumane. I think they are being (sort of) micromanaged and exhibit the same behaviors as adults do when micromanaged, this is especially applicable for older teens.
      - kettleballroll 3y ago
        This sounds to me like you're extrapolating your own experience and generalizing it to the whole population, when in truth you are likely to be an outlier: most kids do fine in school (and always have), and most home schooled people find it harder to contribute meaningfully to society (due to less exposure to socialization opportunities and poorer education).
        3y ago
- PeterisP 3y ago
  That's not going to be sufficient to prevent climate change (well, nothing we'll realistically do now will be sufficient to do that - it's too late, just as scientists were warning us decades ago), so probably the question is less about reducing climate change but rather how to mitigate the consequences of climate change to you personally and your community - "avoid waterfront property" is one step there, but probably we can do much more.
  - oezi 3y ago
    Why are you saying this. We just need to get to netzero. This is going to cost some money but it won't break the bank. Estimates go up to 2x global GDP.
    - PeterisP 3y ago
      If we magically went netzero tomorrow, the greenhouse effect from the already accumulated emissions would still cause a significant climate change in the upcoming decades. And, of course, we won't go netzero tomorrow, there's no "just" in it due to the time and effort it would take to scale up the solutions even if the money was there, but of course the money isn't there; while technically the world could afford it if it wanted, there are absolutely no indications that those who can afford it would be willing to do fund the bill, quite the opposite.
      - oezi 3y ago
        You are making it out to be an insurmountable challenge and reject what we are have already achieved. Cost-parity renewables being the most impressive feat. Global treaties such as Paris are a second.
        PeterisP 3y ago
        I'm saying that if you look at, for example, the IPCC reports, then out of the various scenarios considered, the very most optimistic ones, the most ambitious goal they consider worth discussing, amounts to stabilizing global warming at 1.5 degrees and that requires achieving net zero by 2050. I'm not rejecting what we have achieved, I'm just discouraging wishful thinking that we can somehow avoid having to adapt to the effects of the climate change - our actions can change whether we'll have a small global warming or a large global warming, but there is no scenario where we will have zero global warming, as it's already happening. And it's not just my opinion, this is a high-confidence consensus of IPCC.
Levitating 3y ago
Vote I guess
mikewarot 3y ago
Push as hard as you can for regenerative agriculture, which sequesters Carbon as it improves the fertility and moisture retention of the soil, reduces the need for industrial farming inputs, and produces livestock along the way. If adopted world-wide it could pull about 20% of the CO2 back out of the atmosphere. Push for right to repair. We've strip mined the resources for your phone and computers, appliances, etc. from the planet, they should be able to stay in service for at least a decade, if not more. Designed obsolescence needs to go. Sea level went up 200 feet before, there's 100 feet to go. Hopefully it won't happen in the space of a few years, like last time. (The source of the flood myths in every culture) Reduce, reuse, recycle.
theyinwhy 3y ago
Project Drawdown [1] provides great answers to this question. 1: https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions
jokoon 3y ago
Annoy people about: * eating less beef * not flying * using a bicycle/train. not possible everywhere for americans, anyway, but possible for most europeans. minimum is car sharing and using a light car. * less house heating, more insulation If they disagree, don't worry, but make sure they know. It's expected some people are going to use violence to reduce CO2 emissions, especially for the ones that can be avoided easily. Anyways, western rich countries will not be the ones who are hit the hardest.
- horns4lyfe 3y ago
  The only people that will use violence to reduce emissions will be western trust fund activist kids desperately searching for meaning.
willis936 3y ago
Prepare for mid-size nations near the equator to launch stratosphere aerosol injection programs against the will of the rest of the world and be party to the largest experiment humans will ever conduct.
- defrost 3y ago
  Or Silicon Valley start ups that have already declared intent to do so and begun small scale injections already: https://makesunsets.com/ https://makesunsets.com/
kobalsky 3y ago
I’ll say one that is taboo. Don’t have kids.

Okay, but what now?

Stop burning stuff. Tell other people to stop burning stuff. Tell your representatives to work on alternatives to burning stuff. Don't invest in companies that burn a lot of stuff. Avoid waterfront property.

Levitating 3y ago
What's wrong with waterfront properties?
- T-A 3y ago
  https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/study-rising-sea-levels-flood-nearly-650000-oceanfront-properties-us-by-2050 https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/study-rising-sea-...
- sp332 3y ago
  A lot of them will be flooding on a regular basis.
  - Levitating 3y ago
    We've started realizing that just now in the Netherlands. My parents live in a neighborhood with waterfront properties. Almost everybody except my parents have water standing in their crawl space. One house has a flooded cellar.
    - c22 3y ago
      Just now?
- javajosh 3y ago
  My all-time favorite response to this problem was I think from Ben Shapiro who said that people who experience flooding should just sell their houses and buy somewhere else and it won't be any big deal. Lol.
  - teamonkey 3y ago
    https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw https://youtu.be/0-w-pdqwiBw
127361 3y ago
Encourage other people (especially if you're in a developing country) not to have too many children. The absolutely unsustainable population levels worldwide are behind the climate and pollution crises. We are an incredibly destructive species to the planet. All countries, developing and developed are part of the problem. Not only that the overcrowding and fighting over limited resources causes psychosocial stress, which might explain the mental illness epidemic nowadays?
- bdcravens 3y ago
  Medical condition gave me a built-in vasectomy, and my wife and I tried IVF (getting the sperm out without a vas deferens wasn't a fun surgery, FWIW) but it wasn't successful. You're welcome.
  - 127361 3y ago
    Yes, for me it's because of childrens' rights, I don't want my kids to potentially go through what I went through, including the soul crushing compulsory education system. I feel that natural learning is so much superior, if you can encourage and cultivate it. Coercion destroys the fun in learning and it teaches us how to procrastinate very well indeed. Treat people like slaves, and what do you expect? You get poor productivity as a result, too. Overall I think the treatment of children and young people in society is terrible and unjustified. It is inhumane. I think they are being (sort of) micromanaged and exhibit the same behaviors as adults do when micromanaged, this is especially applicable for older teens.
    - kettleballroll 3y ago
      This sounds to me like you're extrapolating your own experience and generalizing it to the whole population, when in truth you are likely to be an outlier: most kids do fine in school (and always have), and most home schooled people find it harder to contribute meaningfully to society (due to less exposure to socialization opportunities and poorer education).
      - 3y ago
PeterisP 3y ago
That's not going to be sufficient to prevent climate change (well, nothing we'll realistically do now will be sufficient to do that - it's too late, just as scientists were warning us decades ago), so probably the question is less about reducing climate change but rather how to mitigate the consequences of climate change to you personally and your community - "avoid waterfront property" is one step there, but probably we can do much more.
- oezi 3y ago
  Why are you saying this. We just need to get to netzero. This is going to cost some money but it won't break the bank. Estimates go up to 2x global GDP.
  - PeterisP 3y ago
    If we magically went netzero tomorrow, the greenhouse effect from the already accumulated emissions would still cause a significant climate change in the upcoming decades. And, of course, we won't go netzero tomorrow, there's no "just" in it due to the time and effort it would take to scale up the solutions even if the money was there, but of course the money isn't there; while technically the world could afford it if it wanted, there are absolutely no indications that those who can afford it would be willing to do fund the bill, quite the opposite.
    - oezi 3y ago
      You are making it out to be an insurmountable challenge and reject what we are have already achieved. Cost-parity renewables being the most impressive feat. Global treaties such as Paris are a second.
      - PeterisP 3y ago
        I'm saying that if you look at, for example, the IPCC reports, then out of the various scenarios considered, the very most optimistic ones, the most ambitious goal they consider worth discussing, amounts to stabilizing global warming at 1.5 degrees and that requires achieving net zero by 2050. I'm not rejecting what we have achieved, I'm just discouraging wishful thinking that we can somehow avoid having to adapt to the effects of the climate change - our actions can change whether we'll have a small global warming or a large global warming, but there is no scenario where we will have zero global warming, as it's already happening. And it's not just my opinion, this is a high-confidence consensus of IPCC.

Levitating 3y ago

Vote I guess

mikewarot 3y ago

Push as hard as you can for regenerative agriculture, which sequesters Carbon as it improves the fertility and moisture retention of the soil, reduces the need for industrial farming inputs, and produces livestock along the way. If adopted world-wide it could pull about 20% of the CO2 back out of the atmosphere. Push for right to repair. We've strip mined the resources for your phone and computers, appliances, etc. from the planet, they should be able to stay in service for at least a decade, if not more. Designed obsolescence needs to go. Sea level went up 200 feet before, there's 100 feet to go. Hopefully it won't happen in the space of a few years, like last time. (The source of the flood myths in every culture) Reduce, reuse, recycle.

theyinwhy 3y ago

Project Drawdown [1] provides great answers to this question. 1: https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions https://drawdown.org/solutions/table-of-solutions

jokoon 3y ago

Annoy people about: * eating less beef * not flying * using a bicycle/train. not possible everywhere for americans, anyway, but possible for most europeans. minimum is car sharing and using a light car. * less house heating, more insulation If they disagree, don't worry, but make sure they know. It's expected some people are going to use violence to reduce CO2 emissions, especially for the ones that can be avoided easily. Anyways, western rich countries will not be the ones who are hit the hardest.

horns4lyfe 3y ago
The only people that will use violence to reduce emissions will be western trust fund activist kids desperately searching for meaning.

willis936 3y ago

Prepare for mid-size nations near the equator to launch stratosphere aerosol injection programs against the will of the rest of the world and be party to the largest experiment humans will ever conduct.

defrost 3y ago
Or Silicon Valley start ups that have already declared intent to do so and begun small scale injections already: https://makesunsets.com/ https://makesunsets.com/

kobalsky 3y ago

I’ll say one that is taboo. Don’t have kids.