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There’s nothing much to do. An environmentalist told me that it’s a few big companies that are causing it all but that I was greenwashing it by buying Terrapass

There’s nothing much to do. An environmentalist told me that it’s a few big companies that are causing it all but that I was greenwashing it by buying Terrapass so now I’ve stopped. I grew up in the city, too, but apparently that was the problem because you’re surrounded by a concrete jungle so now I’m buying a home in the hills. It’s pretty cool, honestly. I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just live in the hills since it’s better for the environment.

nindalf 3y ago
Wouldn't per capita emissions in a city be lower? Simply because of transport - we're far more likely to use public transport than folks living in rural areas.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Yeah but per-capita emissions were revealed to me to be a trick that corporations have played on us to make us take responsibility for their sins. It was easier to ebike in the city, for sure. But a GMC Sierra makes the hills all right too. And it’s much better here for the environment because I’m not endorsing the capitalist view that everything should be grey concrete.
  - drewcoo 3y ago
    > per-capita emissions were revealed to me to be a trick that corporations have played As opposed to individually moving to a rural area "since it’s better for the environment?" To be fair, for Zaphod Beeblebrox "per capita" doesn't mean "individually," but . . .
- randomdata 3y ago
  But use transport daily. Ironically, at least in the typical North American city, you can’t do anything without a machine to take you over long distances. In the rural area, you maybe travel once a week to stock up but otherwise don’t need transportation at all.
  - Whoppertime 3y ago
    The bicycle machine emits nothing and can be used pretty easily in cities.
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    - randomdata 3y ago
      Emits nothing only if you ignore the engine. Some studies suggest that human CO2 emissions increase eightfold while exercising.
      - lo0dot0 3y ago
        A car is more or less efficient than cycling, depending on the food, car and source of electrical power, and manufacturing CO2 production. The bicycle production emits a less CO2 than the car production, tilting the comparison at the beginning of the lifecycle of both. The GHG emissions associated with food intake required to fuel a kilometre of walking range between 0.05 kgCO2e/km in the least economically developed countries to 0.26 kgCO2e/km in the most economically developed countries. A Tesla model 3 according to WLTP test cycle uses 0.191 kWh / km * 0.434 kgCO2e/kWh = 0.083 kgCO2e / km Sources https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66170-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66170-y https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/support/european-union-energy-label https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/support/european-union-energy-la... https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/themen/co2-emissionen-pro-kilowattstunde-strom-stiegen-in https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/themen/co2-emissionen-pro-kil...
        randomdata 3y ago
        The alternative is to stay close to home, not drive a vehicle of any kind. But the North American city, strangely, scatters everything over large distances, making life impractical without a machine to carry you.
      - HenryBemis 3y ago
        (I will reply in 9gag-style) Hi, CO2 and work-out Captain here. I don't know how much CO2 you typically exhale when you do push ups but it is nothing near the exhaust fumes by your 5lt gasoline SUV built in 1990.
nyokodo 3y ago
> I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just live in the hills since it’s better for the environment. Because billions of people can’t just live in the hills.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  It’s terrible that they would rather create smog in cities than live among nature in a 5 br / 5 ba. But human greed and capitalism are just too powerful.
- jMyles 3y ago
  ...pretty sure that was the joke.
- HenryBemis 3y ago
  Oh I want to write: so we can all cycle downhill towards the centee to our work without any effort!!! (sshhhh... don't mention the ride back home)
readthenotes1 3y ago
You forgot to use the sarcasm font.
kevinventullo 3y ago
Your sarcasm might be a bit too subtle
bdcravens 3y ago
Not an unreasonable argument, though I can't help but remember the empirical evidence we saw when everyone stopped driving for a period in 2020. That said, I've tried to open my eyes to greenwashing. For example, most plastic recycling is a lie sold by oil companies (#1 and #2 are really the only ones that have a hope of being recycled), so I've worked hard to avoid plastic packaging.

nindalf 3y ago

Wouldn't per capita emissions in a city be lower? Simply because of transport - we're far more likely to use public transport than folks living in rural areas.

renewiltord 3y ago
Yeah but per-capita emissions were revealed to me to be a trick that corporations have played on us to make us take responsibility for their sins. It was easier to ebike in the city, for sure. But a GMC Sierra makes the hills all right too. And it’s much better here for the environment because I’m not endorsing the capitalist view that everything should be grey concrete.
- drewcoo 3y ago
  > per-capita emissions were revealed to me to be a trick that corporations have played As opposed to individually moving to a rural area "since it’s better for the environment?" To be fair, for Zaphod Beeblebrox "per capita" doesn't mean "individually," but . . .
randomdata 3y ago
But use transport daily. Ironically, at least in the typical North American city, you can’t do anything without a machine to take you over long distances. In the rural area, you maybe travel once a week to stock up but otherwise don’t need transportation at all.
- Whoppertime 3y ago
  The bicycle machine emits nothing and can be used pretty easily in cities.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - randomdata 3y ago
    Emits nothing only if you ignore the engine. Some studies suggest that human CO2 emissions increase eightfold while exercising.
    - lo0dot0 3y ago
      A car is more or less efficient than cycling, depending on the food, car and source of electrical power, and manufacturing CO2 production. The bicycle production emits a less CO2 than the car production, tilting the comparison at the beginning of the lifecycle of both. The GHG emissions associated with food intake required to fuel a kilometre of walking range between 0.05 kgCO2e/km in the least economically developed countries to 0.26 kgCO2e/km in the most economically developed countries. A Tesla model 3 according to WLTP test cycle uses 0.191 kWh / km * 0.434 kgCO2e/kWh = 0.083 kgCO2e / km Sources https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66170-y https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66170-y https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/support/european-union-energy-label https://www.tesla.com/de_DE/support/european-union-energy-la... https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/themen/co2-emissionen-pro-kilowattstunde-strom-stiegen-in https://www.umweltbundesamt.de/themen/co2-emissionen-pro-kil...
      - randomdata 3y ago
        The alternative is to stay close to home, not drive a vehicle of any kind. But the North American city, strangely, scatters everything over large distances, making life impractical without a machine to carry you.
    - HenryBemis 3y ago
      (I will reply in 9gag-style) Hi, CO2 and work-out Captain here. I don't know how much CO2 you typically exhale when you do push ups but it is nothing near the exhaust fumes by your 5lt gasoline SUV built in 1990.

nyokodo 3y ago

> I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just live in the hills since it’s better for the environment. Because billions of people can’t just live in the hills.

renewiltord 3y ago
It’s terrible that they would rather create smog in cities than live among nature in a 5 br / 5 ba. But human greed and capitalism are just too powerful.
jMyles 3y ago
...pretty sure that was the joke.
HenryBemis 3y ago
Oh I want to write: so we can all cycle downhill towards the centee to our work without any effort!!! (sshhhh... don't mention the ride back home)

readthenotes1 3y ago

You forgot to use the sarcasm font.

kevinventullo 3y ago

Your sarcasm might be a bit too subtle

bdcravens 3y ago

Not an unreasonable argument, though I can't help but remember the empirical evidence we saw when everyone stopped driving for a period in 2020. That said, I've tried to open my eyes to greenwashing. For example, most plastic recycling is a lie sold by oil companies (#1 and #2 are really the only ones that have a hope of being recycled), so I've worked hard to avoid plastic packaging.