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https://lichess.org/ https://lichess.org/ The best I’ve found. It’s also crowd funded and they talk about their interest tech as well.

j0hnyl 3y ago
I love lichess, their mobile app is such a pleasure to use compared to chess.com.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  I do use lichess on my iPhone, mostly because the pieces don’t even show up on chess.com. If I’m at my laptop though it’s chess.com
edgyquant 3y ago
I and many others find the UX to be worse, the tutorials/lessons definitely way less interactive (usually consist of just a text dump) and the sheer number of games where the opponent doesn’t make a single move to be extremely frustrating. It’s also impossible to discuss anything related to chess.com on here or Reddit because lichess people tend to downvote and brigade anyone who doesn’t praise it.
- kthxb 3y ago
  UX is probably a matter of habit, I for one find the chesscom UI unintuitive and I can never find what I'm looking for, but Lichess certainly also has its problems. The free and (to me) intuitive analysis tools on Lichess are the killer feature for me.
  - acangiano 3y ago
    The UX for the analysis part is actually significantly better on Chess.com
    - yinser 3y ago
      Word
    - stavros 3y ago
      I very much disagree. Chess.com has analysis being more human-readable, the Lichess graph of move strength is amazing for zooming in to your major gamechangers.
- hitekker 3y ago
  The people I've met from chess.com were straightforward and focused on their craft. The product they work on doesn't seem to hurt anyone and I haven't see any exploitation common to tech companies. I heard they don't pay Bay Area salaries, which is probably makes them more sustainable over the long-term. I wonder if the peaceful co-existence of lichess and chess.com co-existing somehow disturbs some esoteric ideology.
  - faeriechangling 3y ago
    Their website also came out at a time when it was common for competitors like ICC to charge people to play chess online, chesscom being his huge well featured free website helped push forward the popularity of online chess, and their for-profit model is what allows many of the aforementioned streamers to make a living. I don't hate lichess but I hardly see chesscom as evil.
    - hot_gril 3y ago
      This is a weird rivalry to read about. There should be an agreeable way for them to settle it, maybe some competitive game they both enjoy.
      - hobobaggins 3y ago
        stockfish v stockfish!
    - Levitating 3y ago
      > for-profit model is what allows many of the aforementioned streamers to make a living The streamers will be fine. Eric Rosen is one steamer who refuses to sell out to chess.com. Chess.com is beginner friendly but not fee, doesn't even let you analyse your games properly without a subscription. I do see harm in it, considering their competitor is a non-profit which has done great things for the chess community. Including open sourcing many things like icons and webassembly chess engines.
      - 3y ago
- TylerLives 3y ago
  Iirc, some of the hate comes from the fact they were paying popular chess streamers not to play/stream on lichess.
  - hitekker 3y ago
    Exclusivity contracts seem pretty common in sports media, streaming, and other fields. I don't know the details but a quick google search turns news like https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7v7xhp/downvotes_wouldnt_surprise_me_but_my_motive_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7v7xhp/downvotes_wou... > In a nutshell, Chess.com is sponsoring me to continue making my free YouTube/Twitch content, but playing on their site. Apparently, some people thought Chess.com was trying to paywall chess streaming content. Strange
- Levitating 3y ago
  Lichess has quite decent interactive tutorials these days, although not as interactive as the named bots at chess.com. Personally never had issues with people rejecting games on lichess.com. But lichess is a non-profit that has done great things for the world of chess and open source and open source chess. You'll find almost all better players there, with the exception of those who are payed by chess.com to only play on their platform. Part of the reason is that chess.com has some latency issues. It's hard not to like lichess, considering their competitor needs to pay dozens of twitch streamers to stay on top, and require you to pay for a subscription just to have a decent game analysis.
n_plus_1_acc 3y ago
Since the topic of WebAssembly came up today afain today, lichess uses stockfish compiled to wasm delivered to the client to reduce server costs.
nonethewiser 3y ago
> It’s also crowd funded and they talk about their interest tech as well. As well as communism. > Maker of lichess.org, a hippie communist chess server for drug fueled atheists. https://github.com/ornicar https://github.com/ornicar
- cristoperb 3y ago
  Can't tell if this comment is supposed to be griping from dour conservative or praise from a communist lichess fan
  - nonethewiser 3y ago
    Or maybe you can decide for yourself how you feel about “a hippie communist chess server for drug fueled atheists.”
    - _svoh 3y ago
      "None the wiser" is indeed an appropriate username! Please, tell us, by your snark I can assume you're most displeased with this collection of adjectives. But which ones in particular and why? Do hippies frighten you because they represent a more egalitarian and prosperous ideology than your narrow minded brain can conceive of? Do communists make you quake in your boots because you don't believe you could get on in a society where you might not be able to solve all of your problems with money? indeed, imagine if you might have to rely upon people liking you; I also fear for your ability to get on. Is it the "drug fueled" portion, because you perhaps feel some right to tell other consenting adults (whom probably know much better about their bodies and their own lives than you do about yours) what to do on their spare time? Or are you waking up to the fact that we, as a society, are becoming more secular[0], and thus you see the advance of atheism as an attack against the institution of your personal sky daddy? And these are all reasonable things to think of you, since you only wave vaguely at a collection of adjectives while expressing some nebulous form of disdain. Perhaps either clarify the nature of your disagreement, or continue to persist in the shadow of intellectual doubt and fear you appear to be laboring under... which is a disease very common to people who appear to believe as you do. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20240123000719/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/opinion/christianity-america-religion-secular.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240123000719/https://www.nytim...
sourcecodeplz 3y ago
I just love LiChess. It is fast and lightweight. People are also very nice.
halayli 3y ago
It's painful to play on lichess due to wide spread cheating and people opening new accounts. I've been playing on chess.com as a paid user and having much better experience. I don't know what changes chess.com made in the past year but they are definitely moving in the right direction.
sagaro 3y ago
I play short time controls like blitz in lichess. But for rapid I prefer chess.com as lichess has too much cheating. I find lichess UI/UX better and faster than Chess.com.

j0hnyl 3y ago

I love lichess, their mobile app is such a pleasure to use compared to chess.com.

edgyquant 3y ago
I do use lichess on my iPhone, mostly because the pieces don’t even show up on chess.com. If I’m at my laptop though it’s chess.com

edgyquant 3y ago

I and many others find the UX to be worse, the tutorials/lessons definitely way less interactive (usually consist of just a text dump) and the sheer number of games where the opponent doesn’t make a single move to be extremely frustrating. It’s also impossible to discuss anything related to chess.com on here or Reddit because lichess people tend to downvote and brigade anyone who doesn’t praise it.

kthxb 3y ago
UX is probably a matter of habit, I for one find the chesscom UI unintuitive and I can never find what I'm looking for, but Lichess certainly also has its problems. The free and (to me) intuitive analysis tools on Lichess are the killer feature for me.
- acangiano 3y ago
  The UX for the analysis part is actually significantly better on Chess.com
  - yinser 3y ago
    Word
  - stavros 3y ago
    I very much disagree. Chess.com has analysis being more human-readable, the Lichess graph of move strength is amazing for zooming in to your major gamechangers.
hitekker 3y ago
The people I've met from chess.com were straightforward and focused on their craft. The product they work on doesn't seem to hurt anyone and I haven't see any exploitation common to tech companies. I heard they don't pay Bay Area salaries, which is probably makes them more sustainable over the long-term. I wonder if the peaceful co-existence of lichess and chess.com co-existing somehow disturbs some esoteric ideology.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Their website also came out at a time when it was common for competitors like ICC to charge people to play chess online, chesscom being his huge well featured free website helped push forward the popularity of online chess, and their for-profit model is what allows many of the aforementioned streamers to make a living. I don't hate lichess but I hardly see chesscom as evil.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    This is a weird rivalry to read about. There should be an agreeable way for them to settle it, maybe some competitive game they both enjoy.
    - hobobaggins 3y ago
      stockfish v stockfish!
  - Levitating 3y ago
    > for-profit model is what allows many of the aforementioned streamers to make a living The streamers will be fine. Eric Rosen is one steamer who refuses to sell out to chess.com. Chess.com is beginner friendly but not fee, doesn't even let you analyse your games properly without a subscription. I do see harm in it, considering their competitor is a non-profit which has done great things for the chess community. Including open sourcing many things like icons and webassembly chess engines.
    - 3y ago
TylerLives 3y ago
Iirc, some of the hate comes from the fact they were paying popular chess streamers not to play/stream on lichess.
- hitekker 3y ago
  Exclusivity contracts seem pretty common in sports media, streaming, and other fields. I don't know the details but a quick google search turns news like https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7v7xhp/downvotes_wouldnt_surprise_me_but_my_motive_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/7v7xhp/downvotes_wou... > In a nutshell, Chess.com is sponsoring me to continue making my free YouTube/Twitch content, but playing on their site. Apparently, some people thought Chess.com was trying to paywall chess streaming content. Strange
Levitating 3y ago
Lichess has quite decent interactive tutorials these days, although not as interactive as the named bots at chess.com. Personally never had issues with people rejecting games on lichess.com. But lichess is a non-profit that has done great things for the world of chess and open source and open source chess. You'll find almost all better players there, with the exception of those who are payed by chess.com to only play on their platform. Part of the reason is that chess.com has some latency issues. It's hard not to like lichess, considering their competitor needs to pay dozens of twitch streamers to stay on top, and require you to pay for a subscription just to have a decent game analysis.

n_plus_1_acc 3y ago

Since the topic of WebAssembly came up today afain today, lichess uses stockfish compiled to wasm delivered to the client to reduce server costs.

nonethewiser 3y ago

> It’s also crowd funded and they talk about their interest tech as well. As well as communism. > Maker of lichess.org, a hippie communist chess server for drug fueled atheists. https://github.com/ornicar https://github.com/ornicar

cristoperb 3y ago
Can't tell if this comment is supposed to be griping from dour conservative or praise from a communist lichess fan
- nonethewiser 3y ago
  Or maybe you can decide for yourself how you feel about “a hippie communist chess server for drug fueled atheists.”
  - _svoh 3y ago
    "None the wiser" is indeed an appropriate username! Please, tell us, by your snark I can assume you're most displeased with this collection of adjectives. But which ones in particular and why? Do hippies frighten you because they represent a more egalitarian and prosperous ideology than your narrow minded brain can conceive of? Do communists make you quake in your boots because you don't believe you could get on in a society where you might not be able to solve all of your problems with money? indeed, imagine if you might have to rely upon people liking you; I also fear for your ability to get on. Is it the "drug fueled" portion, because you perhaps feel some right to tell other consenting adults (whom probably know much better about their bodies and their own lives than you do about yours) what to do on their spare time? Or are you waking up to the fact that we, as a society, are becoming more secular[0], and thus you see the advance of atheism as an attack against the institution of your personal sky daddy? And these are all reasonable things to think of you, since you only wave vaguely at a collection of adjectives while expressing some nebulous form of disdain. Perhaps either clarify the nature of your disagreement, or continue to persist in the shadow of intellectual doubt and fear you appear to be laboring under... which is a disease very common to people who appear to believe as you do. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20240123000719/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/23/opinion/christianity-america-religion-secular.html https://web.archive.org/web/20240123000719/https://www.nytim...

sourcecodeplz 3y ago

I just love LiChess. It is fast and lightweight. People are also very nice.

halayli 3y ago

It's painful to play on lichess due to wide spread cheating and people opening new accounts. I've been playing on chess.com as a paid user and having much better experience. I don't know what changes chess.com made in the past year but they are definitely moving in the right direction.

sagaro 3y ago

I play short time controls like blitz in lichess. But for rapid I prefer chess.com as lichess has too much cheating. I find lichess UI/UX better and faster than Chess.com.