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Google's New AI-Powered Browser Could Mark the End of the Human Internet
- aquajet 3y agohttps://archive.is/3AAQl https://archive.is/3AAQl
- Giorgi 3y agoIf it is Bard, there is no issue. One can spot ChatGPT generated text from miles, Bard is even dumber.
- tonydev 3y agoIgnoring how ignorant this comment is to rate of improvement, Bard and chatGPT are about on par when it comes to text output evaluation: https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...
- Zambyte 3y agoThe level of almost-relavence of this comment is beautiful given the context.
- bastardoperator 3y agoOutside of your own assumptions, how do you verify this?
- tgv 3y agoIf it sounds like a sales person on Adderall, it is ChatGPT.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 3y agoThis could be the weirdest kind of moat yet. If you crawled all the things and built a model before everything became bot-generated, you can get clean post-2024 human data from the human inputs to your tool. If you haven't, then maybe you're stuck with the 2023-and-earlier crawls, limiting your models' relevance. We've already seen that the feedback loops of training models on model outputs isn't nearly as valuable, and can get wacky fast. It'll be weird to see how that plays out.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago>We've already seen that the feedback loops of training models on model outputs isn't nearly as valuable, and can get wacky fast. IIRC this is less true with the very largest SOTA models, and that OpenAI is now using synthetic data with success.
- baq 3y agoSee also a physical analog: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
- throwing_away 3y agoThat is such a fantastic comparison and this is the first place I've heard it made. I'll be stealing it, thank you :)
- sheepscreek 3y agoVery cool - I wonder what else fits the analogy. No plastic meat?
- thunderbong 3y agoI was immediately reminded of this too. I'm wondering now, does the same effect apply to regular HN readers? In the sense that, we're contaminated (for lack of a better word), and are unable to see things out there without having equivalent connections pop into our heads! :)
- croon 3y agoIn the example screenshot, the assistant takes this input: > im interested in this place - do you allow dogs? and writes this output: > I'm interested in your property. Its exactly what I've been looking for. To make it perfect for me, I just need to know if the unit is pet-friendly. Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your response. The input is concise and to the point, the latter is infuriatingly verbose and formulaic. But I guess it'll be easy to filter out humans I would actually be willing to communicate with.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoIt’s a BSifyer
- jvanderbot 3y agoMy wife makes an living asking people for things. She writes like the latter example. I find myself continuously frustrated by people. She loves them. I find that I'm constantly rejected when suggesting things, she isn't. I'm with you, but I think we're wrong.
- sirspacey 3y agoThis is it. This is why I think AI is a better writer than I am.
- mega_dingus 3y agoI was talking to somebody who worked HR at a multi-disciplinary shop, and she said you could always identify the emails coming from programmers It was a complaint, definitely not a compliment. She said programmers listed things out in bullet points and bluntly to-the-point. She complained they were dry, intimidating, and she hated dealing with them I still write concisely and with bullet points, when writing to other programmers. But I now expand things when talking to everybody else. And I've found I get better responses
- croon 3y agoIf the HR person wanted to recruit programmers, I feel like that's a feature.
- neilv 3y agoThat screenshot about renting and dogs... Who would think that's a good idea? * Is it people who have trouble with reading comprehension, and don't understand that other people can read a lot more into writing than they do? * People who are insincere? * People who think corporate-BS language like "for your protection" and "due to unusually high call volumes" is professional- and smart-sounding? * People who want to create more utter BS filler in the world for some reason. (See SEO, or the eBay seller feature to create bulk of lies like "the total solution for all your computing needs", etc.) The only scenario I can think of to which I'm sympathetic is non-native speakers who aren't fluent, and who need a translator, or are afraid of politeness faux pas. But even that has pitfalls: a reader with basic reading comprehension is going to infer things about the 'writer' that simply aren't true. For example, a milquetoast LLM like ChatGPT hits some native idioms, and the reader doesn't realize that there's a huge cultural disconnect in awareness and meaning. Even if the text is even superficially saying what the non-fluent person intended (and even that isn't a given, since they're not fluent enough to check).
- skywhopper 3y agoYeah, nothing about this looks necessary or advisable. The only people who want this are the Google PMs who have to “integrate AI” by Q2.
- neilv 3y agoAre we leaving the era when adtech and surveillance by Google were things we could look past, because they mitigated it with some older-era good things? (I still love the 3D view in Google Maps.)
- chaosmonger7 3y agoIt is always telling when they can't even come up with good example uses from the entire space of possible uses "leave a well-written review for a restaurant, craft a friendly RSVP for a party, or make a formal inquiry about an apartment rental.” That is what the world needs. More restaurant reviews.
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- axegon_ 3y ago"X could mark the end of Y" is a ridiculously outworn headline. It's practically the Betteridge's law of headlines for the tech industry.
- ben_w 3y agoThe internal combustion engine could mark the end of buggy whip manufacturers. I jest, but only a bit. New inventions can and do wipe out old sectors, but it's hard to tell in advance if you're seeing a real transition or a pointless flash in the pan, and people make mistakes in both directions.
- tenpoundhammer 3y agoI find it interesting that the edge browser already has this feature. I wonder if chrome feels pressured to have feature parity specifically with AI or if they believe this change will actually improve their usage metrics?
- kjkjadksj 3y agoLittle keeping up with the joneses moves like these are always great for a bump in the stock price, its not always to shoot for some metric or business profit
- AlexandrB 3y agoAssuming that, like ChatGPT, the model runs on Google's servers doesn't this vastly increase the cost to Google of offering Chrome for free? Now you have to provide AI compute time to every 4chan poster and forum warrior. The economics of AI still seems nuts to me. Feels like another bait and switch in the making when all these "free" services need to start showing some revenue.
- notaustinpowers 3y agoWe're gonna start getting ads when you open a new tab and a 5-second unskippable ad while a website loads! /s
- mulmen 3y agoOr brands can buy weight in the model.
- cowboyscott 3y agoThis seems like a plausible and powerful business model. Hopefully people reject it.
- pixl97 3y ago>Hopefully people reject it With how humanity is going so far with the ad driven web, outlook not so good.
- ungamedplayer 3y agoNot just promotion, but also anti promotion. Genius!
- AlexandrB 3y agoOr maybe users will just get "subtle" product placement in their AI assisted output.
- jchw 3y agoThe example is that it can make your writing more long-winded without adding any important details, so that it takes more effort for the person to respond? Why? I'm already overly verbose as it is. > Could Mark the End of the Human Internet Man... what does that even really mean? Popping over to ChatGPT to do this kind of shit is already mainstream enough to have been the subject of a South Park episode. There's probably hundreds of similar browser extensions for Chrome alone. I guess this is more convenient, but what problem does it really solve? Call me crazy but, I somehow imagine this browser feature will not lead to some AI Internet singularity. It's just going to slide the crap-factor up a few more notches than it already is, making the Internet even less enticing to use.
- disqard 3y agoI'm with you on this one. The Internet already has a big Garbage Patch, and this will make it worse. Maybe it'll make evident that this frog has been getting close to boiling, and many of us will sharply reduce our usage accordingly.
- kirykl 3y ago> I'm interested in your property. Its exactly what I've been looking for. The AI may be giving up some of the users negotiating leverage there
- pixl97 3y agoAre younger generations, at least in the US, interested that much in negotiating? I'm kind of in that age gap where the world started converting to barcodes and computer driven prices and at least to me it seems a lot less haggling occurs now. Again, a lot more of our purchases occur with corporate entities where this haggling doesn't occur. Transactions now are more based on smoothness and speed of transaction. You have X for $Y. Here is $Y. Good day.
- CrypticShift 3y agoIt is true that Bard/ChatGPT is just two clicks away. But never underestimate the power of defaults. This is definitely not a good default for writing anywhere on the web. Google could at least have made this an extension instead.
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- bluerooibos 3y agoHuh, maybe this is why big-G hasn't been too concerned about the rise of ChatGPT. As long as they have Chrome, they still have direct access to a huge portion of web users - even if said users have shifted from using their search engine.
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- gabev 3y agoEnd of human internet is far-fetched. LLMs won't destroy human thought since LLMs are an average approximation of human thought. Sure, this might elevate those who are fresh and are just looking for generic copy, though the best writers are secretly just the best thinkers, as writing is a medium to exercise thought. I'm a bit biased, having built an AI writing tool myself (https://zenfetch.com https://zenfetch.com), though it's for this very reason that we aren't interested in generating new content on your behalf. We simply want to make it easier for you to recall information to augment your work.
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- krapp 3y agoYeah... at this point I just assume that anyone who can't see any negatives to AI has a financial incentive that depends on their not understanding it.
- krajzeg 3y agoI can already see the wonderful cyberpunk future, where people writing e-mails use Gmail's AI assistant to add all the polite boilerplate, while the recipients trying to get through their overflowing inbox use the Gmail-integrated AI summarizer to pare it all back down.
- fivre 3y ago2001: what is this nonsense plot? why in the hell would anyone fill the world with mass-produced nonsense information? what purpose would it serve!? 2015: what is this nonsense plot? how would you even create a virus that destroys a language? it's inconceivable! it makes no sense! why!? someone please find whomever it is feeding Hideo Kojima advance knowledge of exactly what the next poison trend in the information industry will be
- altruios 3y agoSo wait... are you referencing anything other than MGS with the 2015 comment... Have I missed a big thing?
- fivre 3y agonah, just MGSV, that's the year it came out. shoulda maybe stuck the joke under the other comment re people wanting to fill the anglosphere with garbage to destroy it
- ukuina 3y agoFor all his kooky theories, he was spot on with MGS2.
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- CatWChainsaw 3y agoYeah but this is "progress" and progress is always and by definition good, so if you don't like this you're just a luddite or something, right?
- o0-0o 3y agoEw. Gross.
- o0-0o 3y agoLet's invent a browser that ignores / blocks all AI generated content.
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