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Tesla Cybertruck Owner Gets 'Coming Soon' Message When Trying to Lock Diff
- ijhuygft776 3y ago> Connected cars aren't just the future, they're the present. Been the present for 10+ years
- nomel 3y agoTaking on the persona of a boring consumer, who has had to go into the dealer to get several updates with their unconnected car, and sometimes charged for it ($200 to $700), I don't see this as bad, if it's done well.
- jazzyjackson 3y agoOTOH i'm well pleased i can pay $200 for a new memory card for my in-car navigation and have 0 reliance on cellular service or some cloud provider that might not exist in a few years the newest toyota's seem to lack functionality inside a parking garage
- chucksta 3y agoYou can download an area map and use google maps offline https://blog.google/products/maps/google-maps-offline/ https://blog.google/products/maps/google-maps-offline/
- jeffbee 3y agoMaps also caches tiles along a route when you plan a trip and if it thinks you are on an unmetered internet connection.
- jeffbee 3y agoThat doesn't strike me as a tradeoff based on a realistic assessment of the likely outcomes. For example, VW issued updates for the 2012 GTI only until 2018. Meanwhile, even if Google or Apple were to stop operating their maps services, you could switch from one to the other, or you could switch to OSM or whoever steps in.
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- JohnFen 3y agoAs far as I can tell, literally nobody is doing it well.
- btown 3y agoIn a way this is a blessing in disguise, because the moment a large car company thinks they can do software well, they'll want that team to be a profit center not a cost center, which means they'll start charging for subscriptions. There's an argument that we're at Peak Mediocrity for car systems that one can own (at least at the levels that we think we own our cars now).
- Tempest1981 3y ago> the moment a large car company thinks they can do software well Reminded me of this: GM stops selling the Chevy Blazer EV to deal with ‘software quality issues’ https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/23/24013357/2024-chevy-blazer-ev-stop-sale-software-problems https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/23/24013357/2024-chevy-blaz...
- crote 3y agoOrrrr perhaps they could just make their software update files publicly available on their website, so I can download it to a flash drive and stick it in the car myself? That's what the dealer is being paid $200-$700 to do, after all.
- nomel 3y agoThat makes it much harder to collect all sorts of useful statistics about the cars use, which is profitable, which is why all the manufacturers will eventually go with OTA.
- AlgorithmicTime 3y ago[dead]
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoIt's telling that the hardware team could create a whole locking diff faster than programmers can type into a computer.
- jfi8 3y ago[dead]
- creaturemachine 3y agoIsn't the cybertruck 3-4 motor? In which case the "locking diff" is really a software feature since there wouldn't be anything between the axles to "lock?"
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoThere is a two and three motor version so one or more diffs are needed.
- 55873445216111 3y agoI think all the units so far are 3 motor (2 motors in rear) and therefore the rear differential lock is probably (planned to be) implemented by software that keeps the two motors in sync instead of with a physical mechanism.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoThe rear would be a virtual or simulated diff then? Do we know this to be the case or can the driver only lock the mechanical real diff? I can "lock" the center diff in my car but there are two still two other diffs. Do they mean lock in the absolute sense as in a 4x4 or fake lock as in my AWD?
- chung8123 3y agoAre you allowed to recognize revenue for features that are coming soon?
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- throwaway1507 3y agoIn my country it could be argued it's just a deposit and thus not taxable income.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoIn the case of tesla they have a big bundle of cash sitting somewhere that they can't recognize until they ship full self driving/fsd, and they are probably never going to ship that imho
- throwaway1507 3y agoCould you describe what does it mean "can't recognize"? Where I live you can use deposits as you like...
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoSomehow due to accounting rules in the US, companies can take payment for software before it is done, and they can't count it as revenue somehow. So it sits there waiting for the feature to be done. I've seen it at big software companies in the us and at tesla (which is kind of a software company too). Found this random person on reddit who discusses it. Who knows if it is accurate but it matches what I've read elsewhere. https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/10qpasz/tesla_counts_fsd_revenue_when_the_vehicle_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/10qpasz/tesla_co...
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- geocrasher 3y agoI'd venture to say that this locker function being delayed is a good thing. It'll force people to learn how to drive their truck off-road instead of hitting the Locker button, getting themselves stuck even worse, and then blaming Tesla. [HEAVILY edited for editorial clarity]
- MOARDONGZPLZ 3y agoCan you explain how any of this is related to a discussion on making expected features of a vehicle “coming soon”?
- engineer_22 3y agoParent says: > I'd venture to say that this locker function being delayed is a good thing.
- geocrasher 3y agoI edited my comment to lead with that, because that's the main point. Thanks for helping me see that.
- josefresco 3y agoEvery offroad comparison I've seen of the Cybertruck uses the same driver for all vehicles being tested. If a driver (even an inexperienced one) can make it up a small hill with a Subaru, but not a 4x4, locking diff, tri-motor, Cybertruck what does that say? You can't bolt on 4x4 engineering skills.
- geocrasher 3y agoIt tells me that the involved driver doesn't know how to get the most out of the Cybertruck... probably. A Subaru of any size is a much lighter vehicle that's going to handle completely differently. Getting out of that and into a Cybertruck would be like getting out of a Corolla and into a Suburban. Just completely different vehicles. That being said, Subaru is renowned for being a highly capable off-roading car. Cybertruck is highly renowned for nothing so far :D
- krater23 3y agoBuy hipster things, have hipster issues...
- seattle_spring 3y agoAlright folks, pack it up. The word "hipster" has officially lost every ounce of its original meaning.
- neogodless 3y agoHipster used to mean you bought things before everyone knew they were cool. Now it means you bought things after everyone thought it was cool (but by now they know better).
- ramesh31 3y agoThis truck is going to be a complete disaster in every conceivable way for Tesla. You've got a TAM on that thing of like.... maybe a few million people on earth? And even then, it's just going to be a silly short-lived fad for the ones who do. They more or less did the same idiotic thing as Ford with the Lighting. Tease a "$35k" starting MSRP for all the publicity, convince themselves they had a hit, and overcommit on manufacturing resources accordingly. Then, when the true out-the-door price becomes double that, act all surprised pikachu when no one shows up to buy. Add to that the complete torching of any Tesla brand value left by Elon over the last couple years, and things are looking pretty grim over there. Stock at it's lowest point since joining the S&P 3 years ago, and sales growth hitting a brick wall.
- engineer_22 3y agoBuy buy buy
- 1970-01-01 3y agoVery bearish take. A complete ROI is like half a million sales, and they still have two million preorders.
- NotSammyHagar 3y agoI don't think they'll ever sell many of time. It's just not that compelling of a vehicle, the other ev trucks (rivian and f150ev, plus some new ones coming reasonably soon like chevy silverado) look like more practical vehicles, if you actually need one. Tesla has that great drivetrain but when superchargers open up to the others, I really think there's no reason for the ct to exist. I guess it's great that it's a low volume 48v testbed.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoThey need to convert less than 1/3 of their preorders to make a successful truck. After this it's all profit.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
- worik 3y agoI do not want my car reporting on me I do not need "over the air" updates Sell me the car. I will drive it away and make my own arrangements for maintenance. I want an asset, not a subscription Old man shouting at clouds?
- edude03 3y agoDefinitely. I don't think you're wrong to want that but I think people who wants teslas buy them for the tech and cloud features.
- tomcam 3y agoI think your last question would be answered in the affirmative if you are using a modern phone. They track everything already.
- lolinder 3y agoI can be willing to put up with it in my phone but not in my car. They're both qualitatively and quantitatively quite different.
- tomcam 3y agoThat’s a perfectly fair answer. My problem is that the phone telemetry is so extensive I think it just doesn’t matter at this point. Since apparently no major company discloses its telemetry as much as it should I simply don’t know how wrong I am
- metabro 3y agoPhone is far more intrusive anything’s else is negligible by comparison.
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- NotSammyHagar 3y agoTesla has done a fantastic job of updating the software, adding useful features. They still do (some basic) updates of the cars of 10 years ago. They managed to keep the UI fairly fast and responsive on old hardware, even as they have update the hardware for the console cpu etc many times. This is in contract to VW and many other legacy auto companies, that have struggled with software. I have worried about an upgrade killing my system or bricking the car but more than 10 years late it's good.
- anon115 3y agoor you know just get any other car lol
- Dig1t 3y agoHopefully this isn't a paid extra feature like Mercedes locking the acceleration of the car and offering a subscription to unlock the full potential acceleration. https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/23/23474969/mercedes-car-subscription-faster-acceleration-feature-price https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/23/23474969/mercedes-car-su...
- dreamcompiler 3y agoTesla does that but it's not a subscription; it's a one-time fee if you want more acceleration.
- black_puppydog 3y agoMight be worth it discussing the OTA and subscriptions models taking over the industry, but I don't have compassion for people who bought this. You deserve everything coming your way. Have fun with it I guess..
- neuralRiot 3y agoTesla, America’s favorite vaporware manufacturer since 2006.
- nimbius 3y agoThis isnt an issue. The target demographic for a cybertruck will never need locking diff's and will cry glory from the heavens once theyre permitted to own them. The vehicle is a pavement princess designed to help its owner cosplay a working mans aesthetic. The cybertruck is to transportation as the cheesegrater Mac is to the programmer.
- p1mrx 3y agoIn what way would the Cybertruck need to change in order to become a proper offroad vehicle?
- 16bytes 3y agoBe 2000+lbs lighter? That puts it in the same class as a 4runner, which is already heavy for an offroader. The crosstrek that climbed the hill the cybertruck couldn't is about 1/2 the weight.
- p1mrx 3y agoThat's going to be difficult with current battery chemistry. Maybe a Cybertruck/zeppelin hybrid?
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