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I usually refrain from making much political commentary. I will say this: SA is a deeply troubled country, but for once I think the ruling government has actua
by TheCapeGreek 3y ago
I usually refrain from making much political commentary.
I will say this: SA is a deeply troubled country, but for once I think the ruling government has actually done a good thing by pursuing this.
- adwn 3y ago[flagged]
- pydry 3y agoThere isnt a genocide going on in Ukraine. Both sides have made the accusation but there's nothing meeting the legal threshold like there is in Gaza.
- ilikehurdles 3y agoYeah, unlike in Ukraine, Gaza’s hospitals are firing back.
- pydry 3y agoThey are but apparently it's ok because "what choice do they have"? https://www.politico.eu/article/amnesty-ukraine-report-wrong/ https://www.politico.eu/article/amnesty-ukraine-report-wrong... >The report on Ukraine doesn’t even address what the alternative fate of the country’s civilians might have been had their military stood aside
- hmcq6 3y agoWhen has SA ever been quiet about apartheid?
- thiagoharry 3y agoWell, we could conclude with this logic that all countries are politically motivated. After all, the countries that condemned the Russia's invasion of Ukraine were also the countries that abstained from supporting the South Africa’s genocide case against Israel. Moreover, it should not be forgotten that there is a much bigger number of civilians deaths in Gaza than Ukraine. In one month the number of deaths surpassed civilian casualties in Ukraine war. There is a more serious problem there than in Ukraine.
- timcobb 3y ago> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2YY1E6/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2YY1E6/ SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights.
- diego_moita 3y ago> SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights. Well, who does? Among the major players in world politics I can't see any country with a clean reputation on human rights. Disclaimer: I am Brazilian, a country with an horrible record of police brutality, of farmers killing indigenous people and environmental activists and an hypocritical ambivalence towards Putin's crimes. And that goes to the previous right-wing and current left-wing governments.
- timcobb 3y agoI mean, sure. Personally, I’m a relativist. It’s just weird to see the country that recently bent itself backwards—like no other country—to let Vladimir Putin into its territory (it was reported they even considering leaving the ICC), is now bringing suit in the ICC for arguably less worse crimes than Putin. SA was not just apathetic to the genocide/domicide in Ukraine, it basically went out of its way to be party to it. Now it’s taking Israel to court. strange. Sure, many countries are still dealing with Russia, but only SA is dealing with Russia _and_ bringing countries to The Hague at the same time.
- WesolyKubeczek 3y agoSA is dealing with Russia, so it might want to help Russia’s allies, and one of them is Iran who incidentally dreams of nothing less than, well, wiping Israel off the map with wiping out Jews as a cherry on top. Oops. It’s all a tangled mess and I wouldn’t haste to take everything diplomats say at face value.
- timcobb 3y ago
- robertoandred 3y agoOr they’re just trying to gain brownie points from the people who support Hamas.
- vcryan 3y agoIs there anyone who supports Hamas? I think most people just want Palestinians to live free.
- mkoubaa 3y agoI keep hearing that they exist, but I've yet to encounter anyone that is pro Hamas
- Gunnerhead 3y agoI’m also not sure why SA would want to “gain brownie points from the people who support Hamas”. Wouldn’t they want to earn brownie points from those who support Israel, like the US, who they’d benefit more from?
- alephnan 3y agoSA’s bargaining power will wane if the world order tips more and more in favor of the West.
- imagineerschool 3y ago[dead]
- irishloop 3y agoAlmost 3 in 4 Palestinians believe the October 7th attack was "correct" https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti...
- zmgsabst 3y ago[flagged]
- kar5pt 3y agoHave you read through their case? It's pretty weak in my opinion. They seem to think that any war with a high number of casualties and insufficient humanitarian aid counts as genocide. By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too.
- sydd 3y agoBy todays standard it would be a genocide. How do you think people would react if e.g. Russia nuked 2 large cities in Ukraine leading to 100K+ deaths?
- goatlover 3y agoIt would be a prelude to WW3 with an increasing likelihood of nuclear escalation. In which case cities in Russia, Europe and the US would be at risk.
- Symbiote 3y ago> By their standard the US committed "genocide" against Japan in WW2, arguably Germany too. Germany, yes? That's the primary example of genocide in the 20th century. "The Holocaust was the genocide of European Jews during World War II." (First sentence of Wikipedia.) (I think widespread bombing of cities is a different crime.)
- nerpderp82 3y ago[flagged]
- bart_spoon 3y agoThe person isn’t saying that Germany committed genocide during WW2, which is obviously true, but pointing out that by the above definition of genocide, the US committed genocide against Germany and Japan during WW2.
- mkoubaa 3y agoThat isn't my reading of the case
- stefan_ 3y agoThis is the same government that was just months prior going to quit the ICC so they could host Putin. They have no credibility, and frankly, no fucking power for most of the day. Utterly failed state.
- alephnan 3y ago> host Putin. They have no credibility and they’d credible if they hosted Joe Biden?