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340k for a Learjet? that seems too good to be true. what's the catch? I'm not familiar with this stuff. Looks like an early 70s model -- is that something you w

340k for a Learjet? that seems too good to be true. what's the catch? I'm not familiar with this stuff. Looks like an early 70s model -- is that something you would need to gut to realistically use?

throwup238 3y ago
The two engines on that jet can run about 5k hours before they have to be taken apart and overhauled which costs a f*ckload of money. The ones in the link have been running for 4,036/4,200 hours since their last overhaul so have less than 20% life on them. Whoever buys this plane will get less than a thousand hours of use before they have to spend more than the sale price of the plane to overhaul the engines. According to [1] it costs an average of $500,000 per engine [1] https://aircraftbluebook.com/Tools/ABB/ShowEngines.do?sortKey=&sortOrder=&pageIndex=4 https://aircraftbluebook.com/Tools/ABB/ShowEngines.do?sortKe...
- foobarian 3y ago
  What is the forcing function? Can't they just fly anyway and what happens happens (assuming it's a private affair)
  - whythre 3y ago
    I mean… it’s an airplane. It’s not like you can just pull over onto the shoulder in case of catastrophic mechanical failure.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS, you can just pull into an emergency airport in case of a redundant system failure. Unfortunately, a lot of Russian emergency airports are closed off right now, making travel to Asia more difficult.
  - esotericimpl 3y ago
    Pretty sure the US requires planes to be maintained according to the manufacturers requirements in order to use US airports. I suppose you can travel to your hearts content in africa and Asia, but you wont be able to land in Europe or NA.
    - margalabargala 3y ago
      There are a lot of different sorts of airports in the US. You might not be able to land an unmaintained plane at SFO, but you can fly it from your private airstrip in the Nevada desert to your heart's content. In the US, the FAA as minimal-to-no restrictions on the sorts of things you're allowed to use to lift yourself into the air, provided you take steps to make sure no one other than you is harmed by your decisions.
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      - wkat4242 3y ago
        > provided you take steps to make sure no one other than you is harmed by your decisions. Well there's the rub, isn't it? What goes up must come down and the chance of the latter happening uncontrolled is a lot higher with engines outside their maintenance window. Better hope it's not your house it crashes down on :) The chance is pretty low yes but that's exactly because of all these regulations and maintenance overhauls.
        margalabargala 3y ago
        > Better hope it's not your house it crashes down on :) Yes, experimental plane regulations deal with exactly this. There is airspace that is closed to them, you cannot simply fly them over your local downtown area. Lots of Americans live in very rural, remote areas and several own their own airstrips far from any populated areas. If you're crop-dusting your own fields on a 5000-acre ranch then no one cares when your plane was last serviced aside from the pilot.
  - 0xB31B1B 3y ago
    The main forcing function is gravity. The second function is FAA regs. Third is that most, but not all, pilots will not fly on aircraft that are out of maintenance schedule. The universe of owners/operators that disregard the above is frequently the cartels or other criminal orgs. The aircraft can also be used as a source of scrap parts, (IE, another person owns the same aircraft and wants to replace components that are no longer in production, so they buy this one), or it can be scrapped itself and used as say, a burning man art car, or a feature at a cool airbnb somewhere.
    - yawpitch 3y ago
      > The main forcing function is gravity. Ok, you just won the Internet for the day. Thanks for that laugh.
  - burke 3y ago
    Use for any kind of commercial operation forces you into stricter maintenance but for specifically private usage by an owner-pilot, TBO is just a suggestion.
  - quickthrowman 3y ago
    > What is the forcing function? Uh, the fatal nature of airplane crashes? The next forcing function on the list is called the FAA.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    For some reason or another people treat planes differently than other vehicles. Except the very light aviation such as trikes, ultralight planes, ultralight helicopters etc. By applying the same risk tolerance of other vehicles light aviation enthusiasts can fly many hours/miles at surprisingly low costs, and if shit happens they have a parachute for the whole plane to deploy, it's been developed in the early 2000s and it's more and more frequently built in the ultralight or installed de novo.
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pyrale 3y ago
That's like a $5 entry fee for a bar where cocktails are $20.

340k for a Learjet? that seems too good to be true. what's the catch? I'm not familiar with this stuff. Looks like an early 70s model -- is that something you would need to gut to realistically use?

throwup238 3y ago

The two engines on that jet can run about 5k hours before they have to be taken apart and overhauled which costs a f*ckload of money. The ones in the link have been running for 4,036/4,200 hours since their last overhaul so have less than 20% life on them. Whoever buys this plane will get less than a thousand hours of use before they have to spend more than the sale price of the plane to overhaul the engines. According to [1] it costs an average of $500,000 per engine [1] https://aircraftbluebook.com/Tools/ABB/ShowEngines.do?sortKey=&sortOrder=&pageIndex=4 https://aircraftbluebook.com/Tools/ABB/ShowEngines.do?sortKe...

foobarian 3y ago
What is the forcing function? Can't they just fly anyway and what happens happens (assuming it's a private affair)
- whythre 3y ago
  I mean… it’s an airplane. It’s not like you can just pull over onto the shoulder in case of catastrophic mechanical failure.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS, you can just pull into an emergency airport in case of a redundant system failure. Unfortunately, a lot of Russian emergency airports are closed off right now, making travel to Asia more difficult.
- esotericimpl 3y ago
  Pretty sure the US requires planes to be maintained according to the manufacturers requirements in order to use US airports. I suppose you can travel to your hearts content in africa and Asia, but you wont be able to land in Europe or NA.
  - margalabargala 3y ago
    There are a lot of different sorts of airports in the US. You might not be able to land an unmaintained plane at SFO, but you can fly it from your private airstrip in the Nevada desert to your heart's content. In the US, the FAA as minimal-to-no restrictions on the sorts of things you're allowed to use to lift yourself into the air, provided you take steps to make sure no one other than you is harmed by your decisions.
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    - wkat4242 3y ago
      > provided you take steps to make sure no one other than you is harmed by your decisions. Well there's the rub, isn't it? What goes up must come down and the chance of the latter happening uncontrolled is a lot higher with engines outside their maintenance window. Better hope it's not your house it crashes down on :) The chance is pretty low yes but that's exactly because of all these regulations and maintenance overhauls.
      - margalabargala 3y ago
        > Better hope it's not your house it crashes down on :) Yes, experimental plane regulations deal with exactly this. There is airspace that is closed to them, you cannot simply fly them over your local downtown area. Lots of Americans live in very rural, remote areas and several own their own airstrips far from any populated areas. If you're crop-dusting your own fields on a 5000-acre ranch then no one cares when your plane was last serviced aside from the pilot.
- 0xB31B1B 3y ago
  The main forcing function is gravity. The second function is FAA regs. Third is that most, but not all, pilots will not fly on aircraft that are out of maintenance schedule. The universe of owners/operators that disregard the above is frequently the cartels or other criminal orgs. The aircraft can also be used as a source of scrap parts, (IE, another person owns the same aircraft and wants to replace components that are no longer in production, so they buy this one), or it can be scrapped itself and used as say, a burning man art car, or a feature at a cool airbnb somewhere.
  - yawpitch 3y ago
    > The main forcing function is gravity. Ok, you just won the Internet for the day. Thanks for that laugh.
- burke 3y ago
  Use for any kind of commercial operation forces you into stricter maintenance but for specifically private usage by an owner-pilot, TBO is just a suggestion.
- quickthrowman 3y ago
  > What is the forcing function? Uh, the fatal nature of airplane crashes? The next forcing function on the list is called the FAA.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  For some reason or another people treat planes differently than other vehicles. Except the very light aviation such as trikes, ultralight planes, ultralight helicopters etc. By applying the same risk tolerance of other vehicles light aviation enthusiasts can fly many hours/miles at surprisingly low costs, and if shit happens they have a parachute for the whole plane to deploy, it's been developed in the early 2000s and it's more and more frequently built in the ultralight or installed de novo.
- deleted 3y ago
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pyrale 3y ago

That's like a $5 entry fee for a bar where cocktails are $20.