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> Yesterday I did X, today I’m going to do Y Once more, with feeling: standups shouldn't be status updates. What's the point of a bespoke audio presentation of

> Yesterday I did X, today I’m going to do Y Once more, with feeling: standups shouldn't be status updates. What's the point of a bespoke audio presentation of what your work board already says?

marcosdumay 3y ago
Well, ok, what should they be then? Because as far as I can see, they were just cargo-culted from around-the-clock operations and single-shift development has no subject at all that fits the format. But people keep doing them, so I keep being interested on what do they gain from it?
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  We just want to know if anyone's blocked on anything, which can either be quickly sorted in 10s of conversation or people can agree to chat one on one after the call. It's just some basic coordination at a time everyone agrees to be present.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    I disagree, standup is not just for discussing blockers. Summarizing what problems you're solving often serves as a trigger for further conversations, e. g. "I did something similar a few weeks ago, let's talk after the standup".
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    Have you tried a general conversation channel for those? Because the daily just added a half-day waiting time for your blocks.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      It's not mutually exclusive. But people work at different times, and need focus, and won't all keep up with a scrolling chat thread. Having a simple 15 minute call when everyone's there solves all that.
- aidenn0 3y ago
  Something I saw that was useful was ~50-75% of the people pass on sharing something and the other ~25-50% mention something that surprised them or something they are stuck on in the past 24hrs. Then other people will either be less surprised or swing by their desk to help get them un-stuck. It's a way to increase the number of "watercooler" style interactions where one person can help someone because they happen to have a tiny bit of knowledge or expertise that can help

> Yesterday I did X, today I’m going to do Y Once more, with feeling: standups shouldn't be status updates. What's the point of a bespoke audio presentation of what your work board already says?

marcosdumay 3y ago

Well, ok, what should they be then? Because as far as I can see, they were just cargo-culted from around-the-clock operations and single-shift development has no subject at all that fits the format. But people keep doing them, so I keep being interested on what do they gain from it?

robertlagrant 3y ago
We just want to know if anyone's blocked on anything, which can either be quickly sorted in 10s of conversation or people can agree to chat one on one after the call. It's just some basic coordination at a time everyone agrees to be present.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  I disagree, standup is not just for discussing blockers. Summarizing what problems you're solving often serves as a trigger for further conversations, e. g. "I did something similar a few weeks ago, let's talk after the standup".
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  Have you tried a general conversation channel for those? Because the daily just added a half-day waiting time for your blocks.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    It's not mutually exclusive. But people work at different times, and need focus, and won't all keep up with a scrolling chat thread. Having a simple 15 minute call when everyone's there solves all that.
aidenn0 3y ago
Something I saw that was useful was ~50-75% of the people pass on sharing something and the other ~25-50% mention something that surprised them or something they are stuck on in the past 24hrs. Then other people will either be less surprised or swing by their desk to help get them un-stuck. It's a way to increase the number of "watercooler" style interactions where one person can help someone because they happen to have a tiny bit of knowledge or expertise that can help