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> Scientists who have studied these rusting rivers agree that the ultimate cause is climate change. quelle surprise

by avgcorrection 3y ago

samstave 3y ago
>"The only constant in the Universe is change..." Seems obvious now, doesn't it.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  I don’t get it.
  - samstave 3y ago
    In almost all Spiritual/Religious teachings - they say "The only constant in the universe is change" - so Its kind of banal to say "Scientists who studied the rivers simply allot it to Climate Change" as if its the profundity of Science here...
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      If `cl` is the climate change function then Climate Change really specifically is referring to the derivative of `cl` right now.
    - freejazz 3y ago
      Probably orders of magnitude less banal than your comments here on it.
      - samstave 3y ago
        I guess you missed I was pointing to that they put in a whole bunch of meat in the article about the apparent study and they boil it down to a very simple conclusion of "climate change"? That's not banal? (im not being flippant - I just thought the conclusion was weak, and didnt feel like I learned much.
        freejazz 3y ago
        What makes you guess that?
- troyvit 3y ago
  It might, but the first time I heard it (put differently) it blew my mind. The way I heard it was: There is no such thing as equilibrium in nature. It's more about constant imbalances. It made me re-think our whole approach to environmentalism. When we attempt to restore something, what are we restoring it to?
  - magneticnorth 3y ago
    I think we want to restore it to a random walk with less bias in the "warming" direction.
  - samstave 3y ago
    Agreed - I was going to write more about how the imbalances within nature and the ebb and flow between the current state is always changing, just at scales larger than a single human life's observance. Its amazing to me that so many ancient civiliaations had an understanding of cycles many thousands of years long, and understood that things change in cycles, as opposed to linear.... Take, for example the Pyramid of Ku at Chichenitza... I went there in 2001 with a Mayan Elder named Hunbatz Men [0] -- He explained the nature of the Pyramid as the calendar: The pyramid is broken into a number of architectural elements that define various aspects of the solar calendar: the indentations on the sides of the steps of the pyramid are divided to reflect the year, the levels represent divisional seasons, the steps inside the pyramid leading to the top is 72 and it represents the 72,000 year cycle of the plieades over head - the graduations in the face of the steps of the pyramid are the 28 days of their 13 month year. The top of the pyramid is the correct height that when you look down the groove on the top cube, they align perfectly to the horizon in all directions - and a bunch of of ther aspects of time tracking. Its an amazing celestial clock. https://www.council-of-world-elders.de/en/members/hunbatz-men-mexico/ https://www.council-of-world-elders.de/en/members/hunbatz-me... https://en.everybodywiki.com/Hunbatz_Men https://en.everybodywiki.com/Hunbatz_Men
  - throwbadubadu 3y ago
    Nice philosophizing, but too simple. There definitely are constants in the universe, and dynamic things can stay pretty constant over looong time scales, think of stars, or something complicated as a solar system.. and then it is about rate of change at all levels.. what's nothing for me is the lifetime for a fruit fly, and I live merely a split seconds of our Earth's age. And then there are humans, always against change ;) But some is reasonable, e.g. when life threatening conditions change. I step out of my house in freezing temperatures, if I don't do something I'll freeze.. I don't start philosophizing about where to restore it to, just wanna be safe and warm again. I don't get all the clever insights. Environmentalism is already such a stupid term imo, this is not about saving the environment at all, or trying to keep the world the same. It is just human warranted egoism, about saving us.

> Scientists who have studied these rusting rivers agree that the ultimate cause is climate change. quelle surprise

samstave 3y ago

>"The only constant in the Universe is change..." Seems obvious now, doesn't it.

avgcorrection 3y ago
I don’t get it.
- samstave 3y ago
  In almost all Spiritual/Religious teachings - they say "The only constant in the universe is change" - so Its kind of banal to say "Scientists who studied the rivers simply allot it to Climate Change" as if its the profundity of Science here...
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    If `cl` is the climate change function then Climate Change really specifically is referring to the derivative of `cl` right now.
  - freejazz 3y ago
    Probably orders of magnitude less banal than your comments here on it.
    - samstave 3y ago
      I guess you missed I was pointing to that they put in a whole bunch of meat in the article about the apparent study and they boil it down to a very simple conclusion of "climate change"? That's not banal? (im not being flippant - I just thought the conclusion was weak, and didnt feel like I learned much.
      - freejazz 3y ago
        What makes you guess that?
troyvit 3y ago
It might, but the first time I heard it (put differently) it blew my mind. The way I heard it was: There is no such thing as equilibrium in nature. It's more about constant imbalances. It made me re-think our whole approach to environmentalism. When we attempt to restore something, what are we restoring it to?
- magneticnorth 3y ago
  I think we want to restore it to a random walk with less bias in the "warming" direction.
- samstave 3y ago
  Agreed - I was going to write more about how the imbalances within nature and the ebb and flow between the current state is always changing, just at scales larger than a single human life's observance. Its amazing to me that so many ancient civiliaations had an understanding of cycles many thousands of years long, and understood that things change in cycles, as opposed to linear.... Take, for example the Pyramid of Ku at Chichenitza... I went there in 2001 with a Mayan Elder named Hunbatz Men [0] -- He explained the nature of the Pyramid as the calendar: The pyramid is broken into a number of architectural elements that define various aspects of the solar calendar: the indentations on the sides of the steps of the pyramid are divided to reflect the year, the levels represent divisional seasons, the steps inside the pyramid leading to the top is 72 and it represents the 72,000 year cycle of the plieades over head - the graduations in the face of the steps of the pyramid are the 28 days of their 13 month year. The top of the pyramid is the correct height that when you look down the groove on the top cube, they align perfectly to the horizon in all directions - and a bunch of of ther aspects of time tracking. Its an amazing celestial clock. https://www.council-of-world-elders.de/en/members/hunbatz-men-mexico/ https://www.council-of-world-elders.de/en/members/hunbatz-me... https://en.everybodywiki.com/Hunbatz_Men https://en.everybodywiki.com/Hunbatz_Men
- throwbadubadu 3y ago
  Nice philosophizing, but too simple. There definitely are constants in the universe, and dynamic things can stay pretty constant over looong time scales, think of stars, or something complicated as a solar system.. and then it is about rate of change at all levels.. what's nothing for me is the lifetime for a fruit fly, and I live merely a split seconds of our Earth's age. And then there are humans, always against change ;) But some is reasonable, e.g. when life threatening conditions change. I step out of my house in freezing temperatures, if I don't do something I'll freeze.. I don't start philosophizing about where to restore it to, just wanna be safe and warm again. I don't get all the clever insights. Environmentalism is already such a stupid term imo, this is not about saving the environment at all, or trying to keep the world the same. It is just human warranted egoism, about saving us.