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Georgia needs to produce more electric power for data centers
- sciurus 3y agohttps://archive.is/vNBNA https://archive.is/vNBNA
- flohofwoe 3y agoAh ok, that Georgia (state in the US). From the headline I totally thought it's about the "real" Georgia, and maybe related to Bitcoin mining :)
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- tnel77 3y agoWhat makes one more “real” than another?
- ejb999 3y agoMaybe because the country took/got the name almost 800-900 years before the state of Georgia existed.
- ctoth 3y agoI thought that Georgians called their country Sakartvelo? The real question is if there are any Georgian Georgists.
- novia 3y agoyes. there are dozens of us.
- jltsiren 3y ago"Georgia" is based on the Persian name of the country, and its similarity to the name of the US state is coincidental. For some reason, the Persian name became more popular around the world than the native Sakartvelo. Or the Greek "Iberia", which shares its etymology with "Georgia".
- jamescostian 3y agoGeorgia the country has about half the land of Georgia the state in the US, and Georgia the country has about half the population of Atlanta alone (even less population when compared to the entire US state of Georgia). I think that huge difference in popularity contributes largely to why "Georgia" often refers to the the US state on this site
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- bhewes 3y agoICE (Intercontinental Exchange) is based in Atlanta. All of the NYSE and other exchanges they own are in Atlanta area. There are 26,932,748 people in the Piedmont Atlantic region Atlanta-Raleigh. Which has been growing like crazy. This is what drove the data center movement, not corporate welfare called state incentives. They would need the power either way.
- vineyardmike 3y agoI’m sure the article is total wrong about the tax incentives like you say, but ICE AND NYSE had their colocation center and servers in New Jersey, not Georgia. They don’t have servers in GA except maybe for the printers in their office. https://www.ice.com/fixed-income-data-services/access-and-delivery/connectivity-and-feeds/icecolocation https://www.ice.com/fixed-income-data-services/access-and-de...
- jleahy 3y agoICE is actually in Chicago.
- lxgr 3y agoThe physical markets are in New Jersey. Not sure what they do in Chicago, but only derivatives are traded there; the spot markets for stocks are all in/around New York.
- jleahy 3y agoICE is the name of the derivatives exchange, which is in Chicago. The cash market is called NYSE. The parent post said ‘ICE AND NYSE’.
- lxgr 3y agoAh, I didn't know that they operate a derivatives exchange there too. In any case, they are the ones that operate the electronic NYSE exchange in New York, and that market is definitely located in New Jersey, and neither is in Atlanta.
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- decasia 3y agoThere's something eerily true about TFA's observation that data centers have a big footprint but really low headcount. I work in the Atlanta area, and it's amazing how long you can work in tech without ever setting foot in a data center or even seeing one from the outside. They are truly highly invisible infrastructure, hidden behind more and more layers of abstraction. I'm all for abstractions that don't leak, but I'm not sure it's a purely good thing to get so disconnected from the hardware layer. I used to tag along with our sysadmin sometimes, back when I worked in a place that ran its own data centers - a decade ago - and they aren't really enjoyable places (noisy, not built for human inhabitants), but there's something nice about seeing the actual hardware that runs your applications. It kind of keeps things grounded.
- samstave 3y agoTangential, but you might like this to mutter upon in the shower: >"Ask HN: At what point do the Cloud's datacenters become national security sites?" [0] Its an interesting aspect to think about when taking a high level objective look at the importance of Datacenters on all aspects of modern society. >>"...Companies like AWS, running data centers for the Department of Defense (DoD) and Intelligence Community (IC), demonstrate close collaboration between private entities and defense agencies. The question remains: are major cloud service providers actively involved in a national security strategy to protect the private internet infrastructure that underpins the global economy, or does the responsibility solely rest with individual companies?..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38975443 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38975443
- nitwit005 3y agoPeople have probably seen more data centers than they think, and just not noticed. They just look like large buildings if you pass by on the highway. There used to be a lot of telephone buildings in the US. AT&T built them right in the middle of communities in many cases, but they attempted to match local architecture. Most people never realized they were there.
- kevin_thibedeau 3y agoThe ones with security fences stand out more obviously.
- AndrewKemendo 3y agoA data center is a giant router/switch General power goes in > Routed power goes out It's basically 1:1 minus efficiency losses I live in "The cloud" and the key driver to data center growth is power routing prior to or concurrent with DC development. This is why Amazon is investing so heavily into lobbying my county supervisors into destroying our aquifer and farmland to run power [1] to their new DCs The fact that the whole state of Georgia didn't figure this basic math equation out is unsurprising. Hopefully this elementary planning oversight will make their expansion totally fail. [1]https://protectpwc.org/ https://protectpwc.org/
- p1mrx 3y agoWhat is "routed power"? If you zoom out, a datacenter converts electricity into >99% heat and <1% blinky lights.
- judge2020 3y agoAll copper is an electrical signal, but copper has been largely replaced by fiber runs for a long time now.
- tomrod 3y ago> The fact that the whole state of Georgia didn't figure this basic math equation out is unsurprising Quite the backhanded compliment. What do you have against the state of Georgia?
- cpursley 3y agoThere's a lot of coastal elitism on hn and cheap swipes at states with the "wrong" politics are common. The reality is Georgia is kicking butt in terms of attracting economic development, especially industrial.
- mcmcmc 3y agoGeorgia is literally on the Atlantic Coast. Sherman marched to the sea, remember?
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- p1mrx 3y ago> for data centers ... also vehicles, heat pumps, and whatever else is currently burning hydrocarbons. Everywhere needs more electric power.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago"Our apologies, unfortunately our website is currently unavailable in most European countries due to GDPR rules. Welp. Is not tracking people really that difficult?
- dylan604 3y agowhen you use someone else's software that you haven't written nor audited to see what all it actually does, yes, it's hard. if you write your own code to do specifically what is necessary and nothing else, no, it's quite easy.
- para_parolu 3y agoI’m not that familiar with GDPR but I think even using login cookies require some extra work to show ugly banners. That seems like extra work that doesn’t bring any value if audience not in UE
- Symbiote 3y agoThat's not correct, although understanding what's needed is extra work in itself. Non-essential tracking (using cookies or otherwise) require consent.
- HWR_14 3y agoDidn't Georgia just build the first new nuclear power plant in the US in many decades?
- bawahahahha 3y agoMaybe it's time to harness the power of humidity.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoThe article also mentions water needs, which might end up being the bigger issue as the state has had to implement severe water restrictions during the last couple of droughts. The population has grown quite a bit since the last major drought and not much in the way of new water resources have come online since then.