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> I haven’t seen a single instance of them not notarizing something or revoking it for something that wasn’t actually malicious. Apple did threaten to cut off
by Ukv 3y ago
> I haven’t seen a single instance of them not notarizing something or revoking it for something that wasn’t actually malicious.
Apple did threaten to cut off Epic's ability to notarize Unreal Engine[0], until ordered not to by the court[1].
[0]: https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/17/apple-terminate-epic-developer-accounts-august-28/ https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/17/apple-terminate-epic-de...
[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21492334/epic-fortnite-apple-lawsuit-restraining-order-unreal-engine https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21492334/epic-fortnite-ap...
- threeseed 3y agoThat's because Epic maliciously violated the terms of service. In fact they did so deliberately to help them in their court cases.
- Ukv 3y agoGatekeeper/notarization are intended to stop malware, which Unreal Engine is not. Apple may well have a valid business dispute (over another application on another platform), but it's an abuse of the system and control they have to obstruct a Mac owner from running non-malware software on their own computer. Luckily the court stopped them retaliating in this case, but it gives me reason to be concerned about expansion of the "it's Apple's device and will always act in Apple's interests over the owner's" mentality from iOS towards Mac desktops.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoMaliciously is a stretch. If a rule is unjust then violating is just IMO.
- martimarkov 3y agoNot when you have signed a contract… come on this is law not Robin Hood…
- paulryanrogers 3y agoPlenty of contracts include dubious and outright illegal things, depending on the jurisdiction. I'd say Apple is violating the public trust as they increasingly corner the market in apps and phones.
- kj99 3y agoIt’s not a stretch at all. The court explicitly found against Epic on this point.
- Dylan16807 3y agoThey had to violate it to be able to sue. That's not malicious.
- kj99 3y agoThat’s simply a false statement, and it’s hard for me to believe you don’t know that, since it’s easily checked.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoHow would they have standing to bring a suit if they had not tried to challenge the Appstore rule?
- kj99 3y agoAnyone can sue over unlawful contract terms without needing to breach the contract. The one finding in Epic’s favor was that Apple violated California’s Unfair Competition law by preventing Epic from linking to an outside payment method. Epic could have sued over that at any time.