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Hugging Face and Google partner for AI collaboration
- octacat 3y agoI still remember google partnering up with XMPP. Could be lead and consume strategy (or lead, make confusing and slow down development). Though tensorflow was made by google and it is pretty good library.
- hanselot 3y ago[flagged]
- morkalork 3y agoI don't understand?
- Filligree 3y agoFacehuggers.
- morkalork 3y agoOkay but GP is making that negstive association now because google partnership? >Guess we have to get every model we can while we can. Before what, the facehugger embraces and extinguishes something?
- hanselot 3y agoGoogle's best model is behind current open source meta. One way to climb rank is to be better. Another is to EEE the open source world by way of siege. This is the business equivalent of the siege commencing. I love huggingface. Its in my top 5 most visited websites. That being said, I would be stupid to think there is no way the standard corporate playbook is going to feature. See Microsoft and OpenAI for further information. And remember, don't be evil.
- ixaxaar 3y agoSoooo, ai.azure.com coming soon for GCP?
- refulgentis 3y agoIdk what this means but, yes, HF does have identical partnerships with AWS and MS Azure.
- throw0101d 3y ago[flagged]
- happytiger 3y agoHugging Face is named after an emoji, the hugging face, a smiley face framed by two open hands. Your explanation is far better and what I will now tell everyone who asks.
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- espadrine 3y agoWhat will each party gain from the contract they signed? The first few sections left me with a lot of questions. From what I can tell, based on the later sections: > new experiences for Google Cloud customers to easily train and deploy Hugging Face models within Google Kubernetes Engine (GKE) and Vertex AI I assume that means a new API field like `huggingface_model: "google/flan-t5-base"`? > Models will be easily deployed for production on Google Cloud with Inference Endpoints That seems to mean the GCP button which is currently disabled in the Inference "Create a new endpoint" page (https://ui.endpoints.huggingface.co https://ui.endpoints.huggingface.co) will now be enabled, which is the clearest part of the announcement.
- sjwhevvvvvsj 3y agoGoogle is terrified of open source AI and the only thing the people in charge understand is how to manipulate people with money, they lack other ideas or methods. So yeah, that would explain it.
- mr_toad 3y agoThey can’t be that terrified of it or they never would have open sourced TensorFlow.
- RandomBK 3y agoThey're even more terrified of torch or another framework take up the industry. As ML is a research-heavy space, getting ML researchers to use your platform has benefits.
- sjwhevvvvvsj 3y agoRational smart people would think so; but the group in charge at Google now just sees something that doesn’t have ads on it and kills it. They hit OSS hard in first round of layoffs. But as people who only understand money they give HF a pile of cash to hedge against a FOSS risk to the balance sheet. It’s cheap insurance. Same with Claude. Actuary tables and bank statements is all they understand, there is no technical leadership at google, accounting took over and the company only makes sense if you understand all decisions are made by the CFO.
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- braza 3y agoMaybe it’s a naive question, but here we go: Following HF for a while in the industry, despite all the UI/UX, what’s the business use case to use them instead a “s3” to distribute the models or some kind of torrent for a non-centralised model distribution? After the whole debacle around the GPT4chan[1] and the whole gating mechanism for models, it’s hard for me to think how some entity can trust that they are not going to shutdown or do gating due to some ToS shenanigans. In other words: if you’re this man in the middle between models and clients, it’s not better to treat yourself as a “dumb pipe”? N.B.: I think the company has a great culture seeing from the outside and I assume that I can be misinformed about their business model. [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT4-Chan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPT4-Chan
- whimsicalism 3y agoTo be honest, I do not care about this gpt-chan comtroversy, I doubt most people who use them do, and they have built up a community and ecosystem around their offerings. I am also surpriswd this has its own wiki page, although it looks like it has been rather quickly put together woth not the most fluid writing.
- braza 3y ago> have built up a community and ecosystem around their offerings The community it’s great and I am user for a while. My doubt is that if there’s a lot of use cases where companies and/or MLEs/DS will do some “git pull model_v0.1” from any of the HF model store.
- whimsicalism 3y agoI work at a major tech company and we do this.
- jorvi 3y agoI do care in the sense that I don’t want to live in some sterilized clean room Disney world. See also the neutering of all the big commercial models. No one is running / giving access to a high quality virtually (or completely) uncensored model.
- zelon88 3y agoAhh the old "We've partnered with one of the largest proprietary software developers in the world to somehow improve open source things" trope never gets old.
- neatze 3y agoif google is largest proprietary software developer, which company is not?
- jszymborski 3y agoall the other ones, hence "largest".
- neatze 3y agohow sure are you that google is ranking lowest by contributions to open source projects ?
- dmoy 3y agoI mean pedantically, both things could be simultaneously true: Company XYZ is the largest developer of proprietary software Company XYZ is the largest contributor to open source If we're talking about raw amounts, not %-of-company's-output
- jszymborski 3y agoLook, I know this is going to paint me as the stereotypical "Pedantic HN commentor", but sincerely, the only response to "if google is largest proprietary software developer, which company is not?" is "all the other ones". I promise I'm not being purposefully obtuse, I really can't find any other meaning to that comment. I really don't know how Google "ranks" w.r.t OSS contributions.
- LeafItAlone 3y agoI think there is a language issue here (doesn’t seem like English is their first language?), so I suspect the original comments intent was different than what it actually says
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- mtkd 3y agoEmbrace, extend, and extinguish
- lordswork 3y agoCan you elaborate on how the internal strategy at Microsoft from 1996 applies here?
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- AureliusDreamer 3y agoA lot of folks here being critical of the partnership because Google hasn’t open sourced all of their models, etc. Not too defend Google, but they have arguably the deepest AI knowledge in the industry and released many of the fundamental building blocks for today’s AI boom (transformers, Tensorflow, etc.)
- rvnx 3y agoThey have the best unreleased model, for a few years already.
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- hashtag-til 3y agoYet, their models are always deemed as second class (see recently Gemini), so I think they are trying to pretend to be "catching up" with vague announcements like this. Good for shareholders, that's all. Not really sure I believe their "open science" argument.
- alephxyz 3y agoThe proof is in the pudding as the saying goes, and right now Google's llm pudding is neither the tastiest nor the most popular around.
- dbish 3y agoThey certainly “had” a lot of the building blocks and creators but most of those people seem to have moved on, and libraries like TF have become less used. I don’t think you can say today’s Google with it’s hand wavy AI products (Gemini with fake demos and still unreleased) and lack of core open source ML tools has the deepest AI knowledge anymore (see Meta for who has overtaken in the FAANGs and a bunch of startups like OpenAI who have taken a lot of the other talent).
- mvdtnz 3y agoIf Google has such "deep AI knowledge" why do 100% of their AI products suck?
- ijhuygft776 3y agoMore AI bad news
- crsv 3y agoCongrats to HF on their pathway to being acquired by Google.
- rvnx 3y agoMost efficient route to shut it down.
- Handy-Man 3y agoMeh they already have similar or better relations with Microsoft. If anyone, they would be the one acquiring HF. And it makes sense, aligned with GitHub in a way.
- teaearlgraycold 3y agoPlease no. Oh god please no.
- esafak 3y agoIt would presumably replace https://cloud.google.com/model-garden https://cloud.google.com/model-garden like how Youtube replaced Google Videos.