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Exactly. Right now, the best an athlete can do is to just give it their all, and I guess for a lot of people that would be what gymnastics is about. The potenti
by t_mann 3y ago
Exactly. Right now, the best an athlete can do is to just give it their all, and I guess for a lot of people that would be what gymnastics is about. The potential for optimization with such machines is just on another level. You can re-run others' routines to see how you'd have scored, you can do thousands of reps to test the limits of the algorithm, you can code ragdoll simulators to find pockets of optimization,... Gymnasts will be discussing software glitches, version differences, how to 'break the algorithm'. Not even saying that's a bad thing, maybe it'll do for gymnastics what AI did for chess, open it up to a wider audience. Just saying that it could lead to a very different gymnastics scene, that will maybe look a bit more like eg the speed running communities for video games.
- lupire 3y agoIt's not like chess. Chess has clear, simple, inhuman rules. Gymnastics doesn't.
- mejutoco 3y agoI don‘t know. In some gymnastics people land cleanly by absorbing the shock with their kneews, instead of naturally bending them, for aesthetic reasons. I guess it depends on what we exactly mean by inhuman.
- t_mann 3y agoJust an example of a sport that got quite reshaped by AI, but not necessarily in a bad way. The differences between the sports could hardly be greater, and the way they'd be impacted by computers would also likely be quite different.
- adolph 3y agoApparently Go has also been reshaped: Humans have improved at Go since AIs became best in the world https://www.newscientist.com/article/2364137-humans-have-improved-at-go-since-ais-became-best-in-the-world/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2364137-humans-have-imp...
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 3y agoWould be cool to see that how well you are doing bar on chess.com (on the left) continuously change during a gymnastics routine.
- sdwr 3y agoGymnastics, Olympics, is meant to be a celebration of the human body and spirit. The micro-optimizations ruin it, because they break the alignment between casual participants and the best. Regular people exercising should be inspired and uplifted by the elites, but it doesn't work when they're playing a different game entirely at the top.
- nottorp 3y agoSo is chess tbh. Even excluding computer chess. You can play it by ear at an amateur level, but if you want to compete you have to memorize those openings. Which sucks all the joy out of the game.
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y agoMaybe everything has an amateur level that's just hard enough to be challenging, but still easy enough to be played primarily by ear. Maybe that's most people's careers.
- sdwr 3y agoU really gonna call me out like that in front of all these people