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I don't think that's quite fair. The stackoverflow survey shows a large number of developers have made the move to Mac. Certainly not the majority, but a very h

by flakes 3y ago

I don't think that's quite fair. The stackoverflow survey shows a large number of developers have made the move to Mac. Certainly not the majority, but a very healthy share. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-most-popular-technologies-operating-system https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-most-popular-t... Anecdotally, Mac has become very popular at my workplace, with a growing number of developers choosing Mac for their primary device. We mostly target Linux, so regardless of workstation we're usually remoting into a Linux box or running some VM/Docker setup locally. When I can work on projects locally without a VM, the interactions on Mac feel a lot more natural compared to Windows. I don't think I would switch back to a Windows machine any time soon, although if I was offered a Linux laptop I'd be very tempted.

DiabloD3 3y ago
I don't really consider the SO survey useful anymore. It seems to be hyper-selected to just Silicon Valley techbros, instead of either the more general US tech industry, or the worldwide tech industry. If the Silicon Valley is just a bubble, then the two bubbles I live in (life-long FOSS/Linux guy, but also deep into the hosting/transit/non-eyeball end of the Internet), every single Mac owner I know does not run OSX, but only wanted it for the physical build itself; they either run Windows because of job reasons, or they run Linux because they like to get shit done. Everyone else I know is slowly joining #TeamFramework. Having made what seems to be the best Ryzen laptop on the market is certainly turning heads, and congrats for pulling it off.
- flakes 3y ago
  > It seems to be hyper-selected to just Silicon Valley techbros, instead of either the more general US tech industry, or the worldwide tech industry. How do you validate this claim? The country demographic in the survey shows that USA makes up only 21% of responses. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-key-territories-geography https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-key-territorie...
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  - DiabloD3 3y ago
    The reverse of this is, I don't know how SO can validate the claim, or the accuracy of any of the results in the SO survey. If a lot of people self-select themselves to align with techbro culture, techbro culture is mainly in the Silicon Valley but not only there, and they think, for example, owning a Mac is how you signal belonging to that group (as in, Macs are a modern day Veblen good), then people who think they are (or wish they were) part of the techbro culture, no matter their location, will buy Macs. So, the claim being given by people quoting the SO survey is: SO survey responders are not mainly made up of people who self-identify as techbros or have had their purchasing decisions (such as buying a Mac) greatly influenced by techbro culture. I do not know of a way to argue that position. You can state that, literally, techbros live outside of the US, which is obviously true without quoting this survey; it however, does not mean the Silicon Valley doesn't act as an echo chamber, and doesn't have great effect on the tech industry worldwide. What I would more likely want to see is, of that 21% of America, how many live in either the Silicon Valley or the Seattle/Redmond region. As in, how many are hailing from the Chicago or New York or Dallas metros, or non-metro regions entirely. I'm guessing that, still, many would have responded that they live in either the SV or the northwest, greatly more-so than elsewhere in the US.
- TotempaaltJ 3y ago
  Certainly sounds like you're hyper-selecting to your own biases and ignoring real evidence when it doesn't agree with your personal observations.
  - DiabloD3 3y ago
    Yes? I literally just said "HN hyper-selects their own bubble, but if I do it, I get entirely different results; neither of them are likely to be correct."

by flakes 3y ago

DiabloD3 3y ago

I don't really consider the SO survey useful anymore. It seems to be hyper-selected to just Silicon Valley techbros, instead of either the more general US tech industry, or the worldwide tech industry. If the Silicon Valley is just a bubble, then the two bubbles I live in (life-long FOSS/Linux guy, but also deep into the hosting/transit/non-eyeball end of the Internet), every single Mac owner I know does not run OSX, but only wanted it for the physical build itself; they either run Windows because of job reasons, or they run Linux because they like to get shit done. Everyone else I know is slowly joining #TeamFramework. Having made what seems to be the best Ryzen laptop on the market is certainly turning heads, and congrats for pulling it off.

flakes 3y ago
> It seems to be hyper-selected to just Silicon Valley techbros, instead of either the more general US tech industry, or the worldwide tech industry. How do you validate this claim? The country demographic in the survey shows that USA makes up only 21% of responses. https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-key-territories-geography https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#section-key-territorie...
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- DiabloD3 3y ago
  The reverse of this is, I don't know how SO can validate the claim, or the accuracy of any of the results in the SO survey. If a lot of people self-select themselves to align with techbro culture, techbro culture is mainly in the Silicon Valley but not only there, and they think, for example, owning a Mac is how you signal belonging to that group (as in, Macs are a modern day Veblen good), then people who think they are (or wish they were) part of the techbro culture, no matter their location, will buy Macs. So, the claim being given by people quoting the SO survey is: SO survey responders are not mainly made up of people who self-identify as techbros or have had their purchasing decisions (such as buying a Mac) greatly influenced by techbro culture. I do not know of a way to argue that position. You can state that, literally, techbros live outside of the US, which is obviously true without quoting this survey; it however, does not mean the Silicon Valley doesn't act as an echo chamber, and doesn't have great effect on the tech industry worldwide. What I would more likely want to see is, of that 21% of America, how many live in either the Silicon Valley or the Seattle/Redmond region. As in, how many are hailing from the Chicago or New York or Dallas metros, or non-metro regions entirely. I'm guessing that, still, many would have responded that they live in either the SV or the northwest, greatly more-so than elsewhere in the US.
TotempaaltJ 3y ago
Certainly sounds like you're hyper-selecting to your own biases and ignoring real evidence when it doesn't agree with your personal observations.
- DiabloD3 3y ago
  Yes? I literally just said "HN hyper-selects their own bubble, but if I do it, I get entirely different results; neither of them are likely to be correct."