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> all while not doing anything obviously harmful to the public interest. Yeah, gonna have to challenge that: 1. We don't really if what they are doing is harm

> all while not doing anything obviously harmful to the public interest. Yeah, gonna have to challenge that: 1. We don't really if what they are doing is harming public interest, because we dont have access to much information about whats happening behind the scenes. 2. And there is enough information about this tech that leads to the possibility of it causing systemic damage to society if its not correctly controlled.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> We don't really if what they are doing is harming public interest That’s potentially harmful. > is enough information about this tech that leads to the possibility of it causing systemic damage Far from established. Hypothetically harmful. Obvious harm would need to be present and provable. (Otherwise, it’s a political question.)
- cj 3y ago
  You could say the same thing about a hypertargeted ad platform optimized for political use cases (Cambridge analytica) before they were outed. I think the point is it would be good to investigate future hypothetical harm before it becomes present and provable, at which point it’s too late.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > it would be good to investigate future hypothetical harm Sure. That’s why we have the fourth estate. We don’t have anything close to what it would take to launch inquiries.
danielmarkbruce 3y ago
You don't have access because you aren't supposed to. Nothing about the founding, laws or customs of the US suggest that you (nor the government itself) have access to information about other people/companies any time you/they feel like "finding out what's happening behind the scenes". As for "too important to privatize"... practically all the important work in the world is done by private companies. It wasn't the government who just created vaccines for Covid. It isn't the government producing weapons for defense. It's not Joe B producing houses or electricity or cars or planes. That's not to say the government doesn't do anything but the idea that the dividing line for government work is "super important work" is wildly wrong and it's much closer to the inverse.
- romwell 3y ago
  >practically all the important work in the world is done by private companies LOL, another one thinks the US is the entire world.
  - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
    The comment about access is related to a US company. The relevant legal jurisdiction and framework is the US. If it were a French company, the relevant jurisdiction would be... France. You may not realize this, but OpenAI is a US company. The comment about all the important work in the world being done by private companies was indeed a global comment. You may not realize this, but covid vaccines were made by astrazeneca (UK), BioNTech (Germany), several US companies and others. Defense companies are located in every major economy. Most countries have power systems which are privately owned. Commercial planes are mostly built by one large French company and one large US company. All the large producers of cars around the world are private companies - big ones exist in the US, Japan, various European countries, Korea and China.
    - romwell 3y ago
      It looks like you have a problem understanding the meaning of the word "all". Specifically, you are confusing all and some.
      - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
        "practically all" was the initial statement. The second mention is a reference to that statement. A basic education in economics (and manners) might be in order.
        romwell 3y ago
        >A basic education in economics (and manners) might be in order. Oh, I apologize. I have idiotism allergies. >"practically all" was the initial statement Yeah, and my original statement still stands. Go open a history book or something. Or find out what "N" in "NSF" stands for, or realize that China exist.
colordrops 3y ago
OpenAI Head of Research Tal Broda deleted over 80 tweets where he openly called for genocide in Gaza, asking to "finish them" including civilians [1] [2]. If this is who is at the helm of OpenAI, it's absolutely insane to not see how the type of informational power could have serious negative implications. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18mvigw/openai_head_of_research_tal_broda_talbroda/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18mvigw/openai_h... [2] https://twitter.com/ArarMaher/status/1736519079102476766 https://twitter.com/ArarMaher/status/1736519079102476766

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> We don't really if what they are doing is harming public interest That’s potentially harmful. > is enough information about this tech that leads to the possibility of it causing systemic damage Far from established. Hypothetically harmful. Obvious harm would need to be present and provable. (Otherwise, it’s a political question.)

cj 3y ago
You could say the same thing about a hypertargeted ad platform optimized for political use cases (Cambridge analytica) before they were outed. I think the point is it would be good to investigate future hypothetical harm before it becomes present and provable, at which point it’s too late.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > it would be good to investigate future hypothetical harm Sure. That’s why we have the fourth estate. We don’t have anything close to what it would take to launch inquiries.

danielmarkbruce 3y ago

You don't have access because you aren't supposed to. Nothing about the founding, laws or customs of the US suggest that you (nor the government itself) have access to information about other people/companies any time you/they feel like "finding out what's happening behind the scenes". As for "too important to privatize"... practically all the important work in the world is done by private companies. It wasn't the government who just created vaccines for Covid. It isn't the government producing weapons for defense. It's not Joe B producing houses or electricity or cars or planes. That's not to say the government doesn't do anything but the idea that the dividing line for government work is "super important work" is wildly wrong and it's much closer to the inverse.

romwell 3y ago
>practically all the important work in the world is done by private companies LOL, another one thinks the US is the entire world.
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago
  The comment about access is related to a US company. The relevant legal jurisdiction and framework is the US. If it were a French company, the relevant jurisdiction would be... France. You may not realize this, but OpenAI is a US company. The comment about all the important work in the world being done by private companies was indeed a global comment. You may not realize this, but covid vaccines were made by astrazeneca (UK), BioNTech (Germany), several US companies and others. Defense companies are located in every major economy. Most countries have power systems which are privately owned. Commercial planes are mostly built by one large French company and one large US company. All the large producers of cars around the world are private companies - big ones exist in the US, Japan, various European countries, Korea and China.
  - romwell 3y ago
    It looks like you have a problem understanding the meaning of the word "all". Specifically, you are confusing all and some.
    - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
      "practically all" was the initial statement. The second mention is a reference to that statement. A basic education in economics (and manners) might be in order.
      - romwell 3y ago
        >A basic education in economics (and manners) might be in order. Oh, I apologize. I have idiotism allergies. >"practically all" was the initial statement Yeah, and my original statement still stands. Go open a history book or something. Or find out what "N" in "NSF" stands for, or realize that China exist.

colordrops 3y ago

OpenAI Head of Research Tal Broda deleted over 80 tweets where he openly called for genocide in Gaza, asking to "finish them" including civilians [1] [2]. If this is who is at the helm of OpenAI, it's absolutely insane to not see how the type of informational power could have serious negative implications. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18mvigw/openai_head_of_research_tal_broda_talbroda/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/18mvigw/openai_h... [2] https://twitter.com/ArarMaher/status/1736519079102476766 https://twitter.com/ArarMaher/status/1736519079102476766