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There are some free code editor but no good free ide. Jetbrain are the main player and their products are paid. I am finding a jetbrain alternative that is fre

There are some free code editor but no good free ide. Jetbrain are the main player and their products are paid. I am finding a jetbrain alternative that is free

asah 3y ago
emacs. Totally free and open source since 1976. oh, sorry, you asked for an IDE and not an operating system... /s seriously, budget a day or two for the ergonomics and a week for wrangling plugins, but some of the most productive developers in the world use emacs and they never need to worry about vendor issues, porting issues, not having a GUI, support for some weird file type, ability to create some funky type of macro, etc.
- lgessler 3y ago
  I tried to get into emacs a few years ago and just got fed up with the incredible regularity with which packages broke during routine updates. It was at least an hour a week on average, I feel, conducting bug hunts for either minor (this or that keybind/function doesn't work) or major (I can't get any packages to load) bug hunts. Was I doing something wrong? How do emacs people deal with this? Admittedly, I was using Spacemacs which probably has way more packages than a bespoke emacs configuration, but you must understand if people get turned off when they ask you how to use an editor and your answer is "first, spend a few weeks setting it up and understand how each of your many packages works".
  - philsnow 3y ago
    > packages broke during routine updates > How do emacs people deal with this The same way anybody working with any package system does, by pinning ancient versions and/or just never updating all packages, at least for packages that aren't so widely used that they pretty much are never broken
  - unhammer 3y ago
    1. Install from stable.melpa (or gnu elpa) instead of melpa (and pin to that) 2. git add .emacs.d/elpa 3. Don't click update all the time.
  - Tomis02 3y ago
    > How do emacs people deal with this? Stockholm syndrome.
- Tomis02 3y ago
  If you have to install plugins then it's not an IDE, it's just a text editor.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    I wonder what you'd consider an IDE nowadays. Modern text editors do every single thing. Is it just about the installation format?
    - Tomis02 3y ago
      > Modern text editors do every single thing. That's an outrageously false statement. If it were true, you'd rarely need plugins. > I wonder what you'd consider an IDE nowadays. The definition of an IDE hasn't changed in at least 20 years. INTEGRATED development environment. If I install a C++ IDE, I have everything I need out of the box, and the experience is (usually) consistent across all features. If I want to do C++ in Vim, I need to install about 10 plugins (to begin with) [1], which will result in a disjointed experience (each plugin has different authors with different visions) where things break randomly and I don't know why. Speaking from experience, unfortunately. Yes, you can make it work and you can get used to it, but it's just a text editor that you try to coax into doing what you want by using plugins. Whereas the IDE will give you a language-specific tool out of the box, without any significant effort or inconvenience on your part. And the overall experience is better because the IDE "just works" most of the time. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4237817/configuring-vim-for-c#4238875 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4237817/configuring-vim-...
wulfeet 3y ago
Jetbrain does have community editions that are open source.
- ahmednazir 3y ago
  Intellij And PyCharm have community Edition only. These software have many limitations than paid software.
onsclom 3y ago
I'm guessing you don't consider VSCode an IDE? I'm curious, what features do you use in IDEs that are missing in VSCode?
- ahmednazir 3y ago
  I am not considering VSCode as a IDE. Because Microsoft, the creator of VSCode, does not consider VSCode as IDE. They have a IDE called Visual Studio and it is different from VSCode

There are some free code editor but no good free ide. Jetbrain are the main player and their products are paid. I am finding a jetbrain alternative that is free

asah 3y ago

emacs. Totally free and open source since 1976. oh, sorry, you asked for an IDE and not an operating system... /s seriously, budget a day or two for the ergonomics and a week for wrangling plugins, but some of the most productive developers in the world use emacs and they never need to worry about vendor issues, porting issues, not having a GUI, support for some weird file type, ability to create some funky type of macro, etc.

lgessler 3y ago
I tried to get into emacs a few years ago and just got fed up with the incredible regularity with which packages broke during routine updates. It was at least an hour a week on average, I feel, conducting bug hunts for either minor (this or that keybind/function doesn't work) or major (I can't get any packages to load) bug hunts. Was I doing something wrong? How do emacs people deal with this? Admittedly, I was using Spacemacs which probably has way more packages than a bespoke emacs configuration, but you must understand if people get turned off when they ask you how to use an editor and your answer is "first, spend a few weeks setting it up and understand how each of your many packages works".
- philsnow 3y ago
  > packages broke during routine updates > How do emacs people deal with this The same way anybody working with any package system does, by pinning ancient versions and/or just never updating all packages, at least for packages that aren't so widely used that they pretty much are never broken
- unhammer 3y ago
  1. Install from stable.melpa (or gnu elpa) instead of melpa (and pin to that) 2. git add .emacs.d/elpa 3. Don't click update all the time.
- Tomis02 3y ago
  > How do emacs people deal with this? Stockholm syndrome.
Tomis02 3y ago
If you have to install plugins then it's not an IDE, it's just a text editor.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  I wonder what you'd consider an IDE nowadays. Modern text editors do every single thing. Is it just about the installation format?
  - Tomis02 3y ago
    > Modern text editors do every single thing. That's an outrageously false statement. If it were true, you'd rarely need plugins. > I wonder what you'd consider an IDE nowadays. The definition of an IDE hasn't changed in at least 20 years. INTEGRATED development environment. If I install a C++ IDE, I have everything I need out of the box, and the experience is (usually) consistent across all features. If I want to do C++ in Vim, I need to install about 10 plugins (to begin with) [1], which will result in a disjointed experience (each plugin has different authors with different visions) where things break randomly and I don't know why. Speaking from experience, unfortunately. Yes, you can make it work and you can get used to it, but it's just a text editor that you try to coax into doing what you want by using plugins. Whereas the IDE will give you a language-specific tool out of the box, without any significant effort or inconvenience on your part. And the overall experience is better because the IDE "just works" most of the time. [1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4237817/configuring-vim-for-c#4238875 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4237817/configuring-vim-...

wulfeet 3y ago

Jetbrain does have community editions that are open source.

ahmednazir 3y ago
Intellij And PyCharm have community Edition only. These software have many limitations than paid software.

onsclom 3y ago

I'm guessing you don't consider VSCode an IDE? I'm curious, what features do you use in IDEs that are missing in VSCode?

ahmednazir 3y ago
I am not considering VSCode as a IDE. Because Microsoft, the creator of VSCode, does not consider VSCode as IDE. They have a IDE called Visual Studio and it is different from VSCode