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> Is Brazil the only country with rainforests still standing? No, but 60% of the Amazon is in Brazil. The next-highest country is Peru at 12%, and the rest are

by smt88 3y ago

> Is Brazil the only country with rainforests still standing? No, but 60% of the Amazon is in Brazil. The next-highest country is Peru at 12%, and the rest are much smaller. Brazil is also the most egregious destroyer of rainforest in the world, and it's not even close[1]. "Saving the rainforest" is equivalent to "regime change in Brazil". 1. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/deforestation-rates-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/deforesta...

boulos 3y ago
You could imagine sanctions on Brazilian beef. Either a blanket ban or something targeted at particular producers. I doubt it would happen, but that's a different plan.
marcosdumay 3y ago
> Brazil is also the most egregious destroyer of rainforest in the world Yet on that graph it has about the same color as every other country, way apart from the extremes.
- smt88 3y ago
  Look at the numbers, not the colors.
  - marcosdumay 3y ago
    The numbers that say "yeah, Brazil is the one with more forests standing"? (But then, that link does answer my question upthread.)
    - smt88 3y ago
      I honestly can't tell if you're from Brazil, trolling, or not understanding the data. Brazil has destroyed more than 3x the forest than the next-highest country, and the forest it's destroying is considered the most ecologically important. It doesn't matter how much is still standing. The rate at which it's being destroyed tells us which country's behavior needs to change. This is similar to burning fossil fuels. We don't say, "Look at all the oil the US hasn't burned yet!" We say, "The US is the largest consumer of oil." We don't care about the damage they could do but haven't done yet. We care about the damage that's happening. Now as it turns out, Brazil has already destroyed enough of the Amazon that it's now a carbon emitter rather than a carbon sink[1], so the task is not just to stop Brazil from destroying the Amazon, but actually to reforest it over time, which is even more challenging. 1. https://research.noaa.gov/2021/07/14/deforestation-warming-flip-part-of-amazon-forest-from-carbon-sink-to-source/ https://research.noaa.gov/2021/07/14/deforestation-warming-f...
      - marcosdumay 3y ago
        > Brazil has destroyed more than 3x the forest than the next-highest country And yet, the rate of destruction is well within the average for every country (what the graph measures).
        smt88 3y ago
        I can only conclude that you don't perceive a difference between percentages and absolute values and there is no point trying to find common ground here.

by smt88 3y ago

boulos 3y ago

You could imagine sanctions on Brazilian beef. Either a blanket ban or something targeted at particular producers. I doubt it would happen, but that's a different plan.

marcosdumay 3y ago

> Brazil is also the most egregious destroyer of rainforest in the world Yet on that graph it has about the same color as every other country, way apart from the extremes.

smt88 3y ago
Look at the numbers, not the colors.
- marcosdumay 3y ago
  The numbers that say "yeah, Brazil is the one with more forests standing"? (But then, that link does answer my question upthread.)
  - smt88 3y ago
    I honestly can't tell if you're from Brazil, trolling, or not understanding the data. Brazil has destroyed more than 3x the forest than the next-highest country, and the forest it's destroying is considered the most ecologically important. It doesn't matter how much is still standing. The rate at which it's being destroyed tells us which country's behavior needs to change. This is similar to burning fossil fuels. We don't say, "Look at all the oil the US hasn't burned yet!" We say, "The US is the largest consumer of oil." We don't care about the damage they could do but haven't done yet. We care about the damage that's happening. Now as it turns out, Brazil has already destroyed enough of the Amazon that it's now a carbon emitter rather than a carbon sink[1], so the task is not just to stop Brazil from destroying the Amazon, but actually to reforest it over time, which is even more challenging. 1. https://research.noaa.gov/2021/07/14/deforestation-warming-flip-part-of-amazon-forest-from-carbon-sink-to-source/ https://research.noaa.gov/2021/07/14/deforestation-warming-f...
    - marcosdumay 3y ago
      > Brazil has destroyed more than 3x the forest than the next-highest country And yet, the rate of destruction is well within the average for every country (what the graph measures).
      - smt88 3y ago
        I can only conclude that you don't perceive a difference between percentages and absolute values and there is no point trying to find common ground here.