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>Every time I see these kinds of achievements from the Chinese, I am vindicated when I tell the Chinamageddon hysterics to stop wasting my damn time and go get

by tw04 3y ago

>Every time I see these kinds of achievements from the Chinese, I am vindicated when I tell the Chinamageddon hysterics to stop wasting my damn time and go get bent[1]. So you've decided to completely ignore their birth rate numbers? Because "achievements like these" will mean absolutely nothing for their capitalist economy when their population shrinks to 25% of current numbers. And that's ignoring the whole fact that the second they stop being a cheap source of labor, the west will look elsewhere (which they've already started to do). You can't "centrally plan" your way out of young people not wanting to reproduce.

shiroiuma 3y ago
Don't be ridiculous. They can easily mitigate the birthrate issue by bringing in lots of immigrants. Billions of people would absolutely love to live in China! /s
lmm 3y ago
> You can't "centrally plan" your way out of young people not wanting to reproduce. Sure you can. China has plenty of experience in adjusting the birthrate via hefty government intervention.
- tw04 3y ago
  You're talking about discouraging people from having children, which is (relatively) easy. There's yet to be a government that's figured out how to make any parent want to waste 18 years of their life raising a child that they don't otherwise want. You can't punish someone into raising a kid. You can fairly easily make the punishment great enough to discourage them.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    You really think they are above forcing pregnancies? They could quite easily install some sort of Handmaid's Tale situation. They have the perfect government for it.
  - lmm 3y ago
    > You're talking about discouraging people from having children, which is (relatively) easy. There's yet to be a government that's figured out how to make any parent want to waste 18 years of their life raising a child that they don't otherwise want. You can't punish someone into raising a kid. Almost everyone wants to have children if the conditions are right; the handful of misanthropes who don't are irrelevant. The reasons people choose not to are things that are eminently addressable by a government; risk that it will damage their career, fear they won't be able to support their children materially, or that they'll make damaging mistakes when raising them.

by tw04 3y ago

shiroiuma 3y ago

Don't be ridiculous. They can easily mitigate the birthrate issue by bringing in lots of immigrants. Billions of people would absolutely love to live in China! /s

lmm 3y ago

> You can't "centrally plan" your way out of young people not wanting to reproduce. Sure you can. China has plenty of experience in adjusting the birthrate via hefty government intervention.

tw04 3y ago
You're talking about discouraging people from having children, which is (relatively) easy. There's yet to be a government that's figured out how to make any parent want to waste 18 years of their life raising a child that they don't otherwise want. You can't punish someone into raising a kid. You can fairly easily make the punishment great enough to discourage them.
- dylan604 3y ago
  You really think they are above forcing pregnancies? They could quite easily install some sort of Handmaid's Tale situation. They have the perfect government for it.
- lmm 3y ago
  > You're talking about discouraging people from having children, which is (relatively) easy. There's yet to be a government that's figured out how to make any parent want to waste 18 years of their life raising a child that they don't otherwise want. You can't punish someone into raising a kid. Almost everyone wants to have children if the conditions are right; the handful of misanthropes who don't are irrelevant. The reasons people choose not to are things that are eminently addressable by a government; risk that it will damage their career, fear they won't be able to support their children materially, or that they'll make damaging mistakes when raising them.