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Men are going to brutal boot camps to reclaim their masculinity
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- read_read 3y agothe mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation
- pasquinelli 3y agoi can't take two steps around here without tripping over one of these boot camps. truly, how did we get here?
- hindsightbias 3y ago> It costs $18,000 That would probably be better spent on therapy or hookers.
- toomuchtodo 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_Club
- alphabettsy 3y agoI was just thinking it doesn’t seem that new of a concept.
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- ahazred8ta 3y agoThe Tough Mudder events have been around for decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_Mudder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_Mudder / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_Guy_Competition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_Guy_Competition
- toomuchtodo 3y agoCertainly, endurance events have been a thing for a while. This new flavor is closer to military bootcamp and extreme shared struggle. Have to be broken down to be built back up. It is a natural outcome of questioning self, seeking community and bonding experiences in the current zeitgeist, and the evaporation of traditional third spaces where men might come together traditionally.
- strken 3y agoIt's not clear whether the article is condemning doing difficult things or whether it's specifically against getting verbally abused while you do them. I don't know if I'd enjoy the boot camp instructors yelling at me, but the actual challenges look fun. Probably better to do it with a group of friends and power yourselves with positivity instead of screeching though.
- dshpala 3y agoSounds like fun! Although I'd prefer to build something, like a barn or a house.
- satisfice 3y agoAs long as I get to think about the Roman Empire a couple times a day. I’m good. Manipoles! Stone arches!
- robocat 3y agoSo masculinity is submitting to abuse? I am not sure I understand who would choose to submit to brutality in the goal of becoming more manly!
- motohagiography 3y ago> "A lot of men are lonely because they lack the ability to put emotions into words, which makes it hard for them to form relationships," Levant says. "The inability to put their emotions into words leads to failures in relationships, leads to loneliness, leads to their seeking out these experiences." I'm glad men are seeking this stuff out, and it's a lot more thought out than it was a decade ago. However, this lens quoted above views men as an inferior form of woman and it's too patronizing to engage. What's missing are meaningful rites of passage. Degrees don't do it anymore because the people who get and confer them aren't peers. I sympathize because there is almost nothing men have traditionally done to distinguish themselves where today there isn't a woman calling herself a girl imitating it with a film crew for instagram, and the underlying message is, "this does not distinguish or provide dignity for you anymore because a girl can do it." There are no honest signals of capability. With the diluting of sports and other pursuits, as men our options are reduced to muscle and money, with some credentials that might secure us an institutional job as a distant third. You need at least one, two and you're laughing, all three and you're into mythical territory. We're a tournament species, and men need a way to sort ourselves. The men in this article are looking for a way to distinguish themselves among peers.
- antisthenes 3y ago> What's missing are meaningful rites of passage. And role models that tell men that failure is normal and a necessary part of learning, and that some discomfort builds character. That competency and skills deserve respect and recognition. And that you can feel comfortable being alone. > There are no honest signals of capability. With the diluting of sports and other pursuits, as men our options are reduced to muscle and money, with some credentials that might secure us an institutional job as a distant third. Video games. Look at labor participation rates for men since 2009. Pretty much all of those men are either in prison or barely getting by sitting at home, playing video games, often sponsored by their parents.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThis doesn't sound quite right, muscle and money are way easier to fake, at least to other random individuals, then a degree from a competent engineering program. It's much more difficult to inspect and determine someone's bank account balances or real muscle strength. There's even jokes among body builders that most of the superficially impressive 'muscles' nowadays are literally inflated via drugs and other techniques.
- tinix 3y agosummiting a mountain seems like a better idea...
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- nickthegreek 3y agoSir, we are not interested in your bootcamp.