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The Bill of rights was created with a good reason and it shows. Many countries continue to abuse their power and are trying everything to change regulation in

The Bill of rights was created with a good reason and it shows. Many countries continue to abuse their power and are trying everything to change regulation in order to keep and increase their control and power over on their slaves, oh I mean citizens. Just a bunch of power hungry and usually corrupt people

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> increase their control and power over on their slaves, oh I mean citizens Muddying these lines does a disservice to your argument. We aren’t slaves nor serfs. We are mostly disinterested.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  Having the government literally enforce slavery isn't in living memory but Americans learn about it in school.
  - ssalka 3y ago
    It actually is in living memory: the 13th amendment expressly grants the government the right to use slavery as punishment for a crime. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/
    - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
      While the point still stands, the 13th Amendment's exception for punishment doesn't ban prison labor as we know it today. When it was ratified, "involuntary servitude" was only applicable to private parties, not labor performed for the State. If the exception didn't exist, the 13th would have still allowed for prison labor. What the exception does is ban the now-extint practice of "convict leasing"[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing
      - reactordev 3y ago
        It still happens…
      - sidewndr46 3y ago
        Reality strongly disagrees here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
        beaeglebeached 3y ago
        Anything involving juveniles and family law is a magnet for psychopaths because the cases are sealed and basically impossible for the public to monitor for abuse. If you look at any secret government system like this it inevitably becomes a den for the most vile of parasites who thrive in darkness. The naive front, is this secrecy is in the 'interest of the children' (meme.jpg), and thus they haven't a right to public adjudication. Corrupt judges salivate for the proceeds of that.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    Look into private prisons and work camps, where they mostly work - it’s on farms. Just like the good old days. And master still manages to pay 27¢ an hour ($2.16 a day!).
  - rascul 3y ago
    Lots of US slave soldiers who fought in Vietnam are still alive.
- potsandpans 3y ago
  who's this we you're speaking about?
- diob 3y ago
  I mean, we do have for profit prisons and use our immense prison population as slaves.
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    That doesn’t make all of us slaves
    - diob 3y ago
      I think given the existence of debtor prisons that becomes arguable. And some do utilize the laws and systems in our country to increase the amount of slaves though. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal I'm not going to argue for the hyperbole of us all being slaves though.
    - jbverschoor 3y ago
      Taxation: income tax is a relatively new re-invention. Even more for other types of taxation like VAT or capital gains. I’m all for paying for services though. But this is basically stealing or claiming from a person’s fruits of labor. Passports/citizenship: Although most people will see a passport a sa travel document, you could also see it as a certificate of ownership. In many countries it is illegal to have multiple passports which supports this argument. Try resigning from the United States. It’s very difficult. Also, passports and border patrol have been used to prevent people from leaving a country in order to exploit their labor, and slavery: > During World War I, European governments introduced border passport requirements for security reasons, and to control the emigration of people with useful skills. These controls remained in place after the war, becoming a standard, though controversial, procedure Lastly, if you do not comply or pay taxes to your owner, you will be taken by force and sometimes with the result of injury of death.
      - gamblor956 3y ago
        Income taxes, transaction taxes, and customs duties are thousands of years old. It's always been how kings and governments raised the money to pay their armies.
- pitaj 3y ago
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EasyMark 3y ago
I figured they mostly just sat in a room and figured out how the British monarchy had screwed them over time and again and figured that was a pretty good list to start with

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> increase their control and power over on their slaves, oh I mean citizens Muddying these lines does a disservice to your argument. We aren’t slaves nor serfs. We are mostly disinterested.

whatshisface 3y ago
Having the government literally enforce slavery isn't in living memory but Americans learn about it in school.
- ssalka 3y ago
  It actually is in living memory: the 13th amendment expressly grants the government the right to use slavery as punishment for a crime. https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/
  - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
    While the point still stands, the 13th Amendment's exception for punishment doesn't ban prison labor as we know it today. When it was ratified, "involuntary servitude" was only applicable to private parties, not labor performed for the State. If the exception didn't exist, the 13th would have still allowed for prison labor. What the exception does is ban the now-extint practice of "convict leasing"[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_leasing
    - reactordev 3y ago
      It still happens…
    - sidewndr46 3y ago
      Reality strongly disagrees here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
      - beaeglebeached 3y ago
        Anything involving juveniles and family law is a magnet for psychopaths because the cases are sealed and basically impossible for the public to monitor for abuse. If you look at any secret government system like this it inevitably becomes a den for the most vile of parasites who thrive in darkness. The naive front, is this secrecy is in the 'interest of the children' (meme.jpg), and thus they haven't a right to public adjudication. Corrupt judges salivate for the proceeds of that.
- reactordev 3y ago
  Look into private prisons and work camps, where they mostly work - it’s on farms. Just like the good old days. And master still manages to pay 27¢ an hour ($2.16 a day!).
- rascul 3y ago
  Lots of US slave soldiers who fought in Vietnam are still alive.
potsandpans 3y ago
who's this we you're speaking about?
diob 3y ago
I mean, we do have for profit prisons and use our immense prison population as slaves.
- janalsncm 3y ago
  That doesn’t make all of us slaves
  - diob 3y ago
    I think given the existence of debtor prisons that becomes arguable. And some do utilize the laws and systems in our country to increase the amount of slaves though. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal I'm not going to argue for the hyperbole of us all being slaves though.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Taxation: income tax is a relatively new re-invention. Even more for other types of taxation like VAT or capital gains. I’m all for paying for services though. But this is basically stealing or claiming from a person’s fruits of labor. Passports/citizenship: Although most people will see a passport a sa travel document, you could also see it as a certificate of ownership. In many countries it is illegal to have multiple passports which supports this argument. Try resigning from the United States. It’s very difficult. Also, passports and border patrol have been used to prevent people from leaving a country in order to exploit their labor, and slavery: > During World War I, European governments introduced border passport requirements for security reasons, and to control the emigration of people with useful skills. These controls remained in place after the war, becoming a standard, though controversial, procedure Lastly, if you do not comply or pay taxes to your owner, you will be taken by force and sometimes with the result of injury of death.
    - gamblor956 3y ago
      Income taxes, transaction taxes, and customs duties are thousands of years old. It's always been how kings and governments raised the money to pay their armies.
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EasyMark 3y ago

I figured they mostly just sat in a room and figured out how the British monarchy had screwed them over time and again and figured that was a pretty good list to start with