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Oh My Zsh

159 points by praash 3y ago

vorticalbox 3y ago
I used ohmyzsh with powerlevel10k/powerlevel10k[0] for years though recently i've settled on fish [1] [0] https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k [1] https://fishshell.com/ https://fishshell.com/
- cybrox 3y ago
  Can you summarize what made the switch worthwhile for you? I've been using zsh/omz with a customized powerlevel10k for years now and I see fish mentioned all the time but I didn't really find a compelling reason to try it out for myself.
  - hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
    My niche use case is that since fish comes out of the box with a whole bunch of very nice features (syntax highlighting on the shell, really good autocompletion) it's easy for me to stick it into the set of shell scripts I use to turn a new Ubuntu VM into a dev productivity machine. [1] I could probably get Zsh to do all the same stuff I would want fish to do out of the box, but it would make reading through and reasoning about the shell scripts more difficult for third parties to audit, who may not be familiar with either tool before they try it. [1]: https://github.com/hiAndrewQuinn/shell-bling-ubuntu https://github.com/hiAndrewQuinn/shell-bling-ubuntu
  - vorticalbox 3y ago
    only a few things that are probally also possible in zsh fish functions are super easy to create on the fly from a command updating $path is fish_add_path {path here} setting global variable is easy set -Ux FOO bar adding -g makes it global most of these require me to update my .zshrc and source ~/.zshrc as far as i am aware
  - TheRoque 3y ago
    You just install it and it works. I change devices, or wipe out my devices often enough that just having a familiar shell installed in one line feels comfy. I usually don't customize things a lot, I pick something with good default and rarely change anything on it. I don't want to bother downloading plugins and addons, or fonts, or themes, just for a command interpreter.
  - acdha 3y ago
    For me it came down to speed and maintenance. Fish is incredibly fast and I spend almost no time configuring it, so it’s trivial to bring up on a new system and I don’t have to exercise self-control to avoid tweaking it (that’s a personal failing, not other shells).
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    It's easy to install. I used to have some fisher plugins, but gave up on those since none of them were really essential. When I set up a new computer I can just install fish and starship prompt and I'm mostly done. My fish configuration file is just aliasing and sourcing configs from other software, it's been a while since I had to touch it.
- evnix 3y ago
  I start using fish, really like its feature set, but then have to give up and switch back to zsh when I want to get anything done. Unlike zsh, Fish isn't compatible with bash syntax, so a lot of existing scripts and software just doesn't work right. Even today people write scripts as if bash already exists and they seem to always target it. I wish fish had some form of compatibility layer.
  - osmsucks 3y ago
    I've been using it for years and most things I need nowadays just work (i.e. have Fish support out of the box). For all the rest, perhaps give https://github.com/edc/bass https://github.com/edc/bass a try.
  - mulmen 3y ago
    Can you add a shebang and make the script executable or just run the script as an argument to the bash program?
    - arbitrandomuser 3y ago
      This . You just have to use fish for live interacting with the system aaand its great ,for everything else you can stick to bash. Don't even change your default shell with chsh ,rather just point your terminal emulator to launch fish
  - jackhalford 3y ago
    Are sourcing bash scripts in a fish shell? If you can either run bash ./xyz or add the shebang #!/bin/bash to run scripts with the intended interpreter
  - eviks 3y ago
    fish has a compatibility layer, and existing scripts still can use bash
  - markstos 3y ago
    Fish runs bash scripts just fine, as it does any script with a shebang line. IT is increasingly compatible with random CLI commands copy and pasted from the internet. For those that don't work right away, just type `bash` to enter bash shell, run the command return back to Fish. If a significant part of your day is spent copying CLI command from the internet, then yes, perhaps Bash is a better choice for you.
- notso411 3y ago
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- Keyframe 3y ago
  zsh, oh-my-zsh, p10k, fzf, and as of recently zsh-autosuggestions plugin for oh-my-zsh is what I ride on. I keep hearing about fish, and I see what it's doing but I'm not sure what it would bring to the table compared to the setup?
  - hibbelig 3y ago
    So fish comes with nice defaults. It could happen that you have a complicated zsh setup, then migrate to fish and you find the defaults are fine. The fish scripting language is nicer (more logical) than the zsh one. That's because zsh needs to be Bourne-ish for historical reasons, and fish has decided to deviate from it. Existing sh, bash, zsh scripts will continue to work just fine. You can write new scripts in fish, or keep writing scripts in zsh or whatever.
- mplanchard 3y ago
  Yeah I tried zsh a few times and never really thought it gave me that much relative to my existing bash config. Fish on the other hand has stuck, and I'm still discovering nifty new built in features, like the fact that if you type `kill`, you can tab-complete on process names, so like if I want to kill emacs, I can type `kill ema<tab>` and select from the following: > kill ema 3296 (.blueman-applet) 3595 (.blueman-tray-w) 9324 (emacsclient) 9327 (emacs) 9557 (emacsql-sqlite) If there's only one match it completes the PID for you, and of course if you start typing a PID and press tab it shows the process names along with the potential completions. I use starship for prompt customization, which is nice because my config transfers just fine from bash over to fish.
  - wyclif 3y ago
    What I do is use zsh as my default shell and use oh-my-zsh, but keep a very simple config for my ~/.bashrc, something like: [ -f ~/.fzf.bash ] && source ~/.fzf.bash source /Users/wyclif/.config/broot/launcher/bash/br This gives me the best of both worlds.
  - JNRowe 3y ago
    FWIW, that is also the default behaviour of zsh's standard completion subsystem for kill. You can try it yourself: "zsh -f" to get a shell without reading a fancy config, start compinit, "kill <Tab>". You can even disable verbose mode via zstyle, should you be the type of person that likes a simple pid list like bash's completion project provides. To me this level of customization is the main feature zsh provides, but not everyone incessantly turns every knob they see.
    - mplanchard 3y ago
      Nice! It's super useful in fish, good to know it's in zsh too
- cvdub 3y ago
  fish has by far the best auto-completion out of the box. That’s what sold me. And the website is amazing. “Finally, a command line shell for the 90s”
- mrd3v0 3y ago
  Tide is as close to powerlevel10k as one can get in Fish. https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide
msephton 3y ago
PSA: simply installing this won't get you many benefits until you read about what it can do and then make an effort to use those things in your workflow.
- turblety 3y ago
  Any recommended reading? I found a cheatsheet [1] which seems useful, but there's not that much in there. 1. https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/wiki/Cheatsheet https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/wiki/Cheatsheet
imdsm 3y ago
Been using it for years now, can't fault it, but I don't do too much with it
yla92 3y ago
Recently, I moved off from oh-my-zsh after many users, to vanilla zsh with https://starship.rs https://starship.rs, mainly due to the loading speed (used https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench to measure the speed). Still wanting to try out fish and hopefully soon!
- _aaed 3y ago
  If one of a product's main features is that it's written in Rust, it probably doesn't have anything unique compared to the competition
  - rpigab 3y ago
    Which is a major selling point. We do not want anything unique. Ripgrep accept most basic flags that grep uses and is way faster (when searching for code under VC), and that makes using it very convenient, even before considering the features on top. I would prefer that you also write your HN comments in Rust, if that's possible, for better performance and safety. In the future, there will only be Rust. You have to accept Rust into your life.
  - markstos 3y ago
    Fish has been great for years.The Rust rewrite will help the devs catch issues earlier in development. Hardly a main a feature. The awesome level tab-completion and auto-completion are the firs things to notice about Fish. Also, overall cleaner syntax and a several nice built-in commands that don't ship with Bash.
  - bitwize 3y ago
    A memory-safe, fearlessly concurrent version of $thing is imho a huge win in and of itself. Soon a Rust userland will be table stakes.
  - mplanchard 3y ago
    Not sure if you're talking about starship or fish, but starship is by far my favorite prompt customization tool, regardless of what language it's written in. It works across bash, zsh, fish, and others, so you can pretty easily get the same prompt in any shell on your system. It's easy to tweak as needed, but is pretty great out of the box.
Charlie_32 3y ago
I'm a developer of 10 years, and use the command line for Git, Brew and a few other things, though I'm normally an IDE developer. I believe the CL is as powerful as everyone says, but what are some useful things I can use it for? I use Zsh on a Mac some of the time.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  > but what are some useful things I can use it for? I mean, surely you already know? Anything where feeding input between different tasks, or where you want to use regex, or similar things the cl will be superior.
- smcleod 3y ago
  10 years in tech and you haven’t optimised your shell?
  - Brajeshwar 3y ago
    20+ years in tech and these days, the first thing that comes to my mind is usually, “Can I walk out of this?” :-) The idea is to be able to use any computer/system/devices easily instead of one perfectly.
    - smcleod 3y ago
      Gosh, I couldn’t think of anything worse than having to optimise myself for generalist systems
      - kjellsbells 3y ago
        Might be a generational thing. Some folks grew up on systems that could fail at any time and leave them with nothing but the tools in /sbin to fix it with. No /usr, no bash/zsh, just sh and vi if you were lucky. You learn to love the cool new things, but you still have a mental bag packed with fsck and ed in case you need to bug out. It's silly, really because no systems are like that any more, but the things you learned at 2am when you were 22 tend to stick with you.
Zizizizz 3y ago
Zsh autosuggestions Zsh syntax highlighting Fzf-tab Paired with zoxide and fzf for the zsh keyboard shortcuts are all I need to be very productive. Starship.rs is very useful as well as a theme but pure and pl10k are also great.
- notso411 3y ago
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radimm 3y ago
All good until your ZSH gets heavyweight and slow. Started using fish and never looked back
- kekebo 3y ago
  ZSH + Zimfw + Powerlevel10k is probably the fastest "bling"-y shell I managed to put together. Would usually smoke Fish, but I haven't compared recently
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- FlyingSnake 3y ago
  Came here to say this. Fish shell is such a fresh beeeze compared to zsh. Now it’s even rewritten in Rust!
  - csmattryder 3y ago
    You've got to install Fisher, then get z, sponge and a few others from the awsm.fish list. Then you get trapped by the utility and struggle when you land on some remote server's bash shell. https://github.com/jorgebucaran/fisher https://github.com/jorgebucaran/fisher https://github.com/jorgebucaran/awsm.fish#readme https://github.com/jorgebucaran/awsm.fish#readme
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  OMZ is fast even on my phone. It turned slow for a whole after I installed anaconda. If you use conda and your shell is slow, try commenting out the code that loads conda, because it's probably that. nvm likes to slow things down too. Not as bad as conda, but I did add some code to delay load it. Do you know how fish would prevent getting slowed down by external scripts in its configuration file? Or does it just not support those scripts perhaps?
  - mitemte 3y ago
Jackevansevo 3y ago
The defaults it ships out of the box makes the shell actually usable. Unsure I could ever go back to a regular bash/zsh prompt. A lot of people will tell you this is slow and you've got to use X,Y,Z instead. If you're new, I'd strongly recommend just sticking with this, it's much easier to configure.
peauc 3y ago
I would actually recommend using fish with budspencer theme which is really great https://github.com/oh-my-fish/theme-budspencer https://github.com/oh-my-fish/theme-budspencer
h4ch1 3y ago
zsh autosuggestions has been pretty slow for me compared to fish out of the box, switched a year or so back and have been pretty happy. maybe something has changed now :thinking-emoji: oh-my-fish is pretty much similar in capabilities and has a good assortment of themes. All I used that came with zsh were git shortcuts like gc -m "comment", gst for git status which i just recreated in my fish config.
funkyreg1 3y ago
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- jackhalford 3y ago
  Are you ok man?
wirrbel 3y ago
Grml zsh is all I need https://grml.org/zsh/ https://grml.org/zsh/
- argulane 3y ago
  grml is great! It has pretty much everything you need. grml config file is also quite readable and you can learn quite a lot from just reading it.
  - wirrbel 3y ago
    I actually never used the live bootable cd of the grml project, just the zsh config
MissTake 3y ago
I use omz primarily with the Kubernetes addons - which are now integral to my existence. Does fish support something similar? If so then I could be encouraged to give it a whirl.
alxndr13 3y ago
funny coincidence, just finished re-modding my zsh. Removing omz, adding antidote and starship. feels (and measureably is) faster and snappier.
pprotas 3y ago
Do yourself a favor and try to configure your shell without ohmyzsh first. You’d be surprised at how few plugins actually require it, and you save yourself from horrible performance.
- BytesAndGears 3y ago
  Yeah I have a ton of customization including a really sweet looking prompt (that includes branch name & even git remote project name). Shortcut aliases and custom functions for everything that I use often. Atuin for Ctrl+R history searching. All without using any “plugins” or ohmyzsh. All just within my .zshrc, and a few extra files that get “sourced” depending which computer I’m on. Only occasional copy-pasting a few things I liked from StackOverflow. Basically instantaneous speed. Don’t even notice any performance penalties from all of the customization and styling. I did have a performance issue early on, but I profiled my zsh startup time and saw 97.5% of my shell startup was consumed by NVM (node version manager), and another 2.4% was RVM (ruby). Switched to FNM and Chruby instead, and it was zippy. And it’s all mine, so there are no “updates” to break anything. Throw it all in source control and you can keep improving it without risk of losing your previous working config.
  - sshine 3y ago
    Customizing my prompt was a reason to stick to zsh instead of oh-my-zsh. But lately I've become really happy with just installing spaceship. Sure, it doesn't look exactly like I want it to. But it shows git status. Various features just "pop up" if I install the right things on the system.
    - tough 3y ago
      starship is the new spaceship, yo https://starship.rs/ https://starship.rs/
- nunez 3y ago
  100%. This is dotfiles on super easy mode. PS1 and PROMPT_COMMAND are your friends!
ivanhoe 3y ago
OMZ and zsh are great in many ways, but I still miss my CTRL + W from the bash, deleting the whole word regardless of the chars...
- vault 3y ago
  works perfectly fine for me. maybe you have misconfigured your terminal application?
- JNRowe 3y ago
  Like practically everything zsh, it can be configured. The select-word-style zle widget¹ ships with zsh, and has a bash compatible setting(among others). The interface is super powerful, and given that you can change it in individual zle widgets you can make it context aware if you wish too. ¹ https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/User-Contributions.html#Widgets https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/User-Contributions.ht...
poochkoishi728 3y ago
One time, I was cowboy coding and ended up writing `grhh` (`git reset --hard`) and hit enter before I realized that it was a mistake.
- ivanjermakov 3y ago
  Reflog to the rescue: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-reflog https://git-scm.com/docs/git-reflog
enw 3y ago
The following goes a long way: setopt PROMPT_SUBST HISTFILE=~/.zsh_history HISTSIZE=100000 SAVEHIST=100000 PROMPT='%B%(?..%F{red}%?%f )%F{blue}%~ %F{green}%#%f%b ' RPROMPT='%B%F{red}$(git branch --show-current 2> /dev/null)%f%b' And if you want autosuggestions: brew install zsh-autosuggestions Then add the following to your ~/.zshrc: source /opt/homebrew/share/zsh-autosuggestions/zsh-autosuggestions.zsh
- Brajeshwar 3y ago
  Hey, I must have copied something similar from somewhere but yes my first base setup of my shell is PROMPT='%{%F{red}%}%~ %{%F{yellow}%}% › %{%F{reset_color}%}%' Anything after (besides the path and the GPG setup) that is an add-on that I can remove and still function well. I've learned to live without Git info. But this is very personal and I have not been into active development for quite a while.
dsego 3y ago
One neat alternative is ohmyposh.dev
- dogmayor 3y ago
  ohmyposh is a prompt theming engine, not a plugin manager. But it is a great way to find a good prompt or create your own.
- blentrop 3y ago
  One option I really like liquid prompt[0]. Simple design which just shows the info I need without getting on my way [0] https://github.com/liquidprompt/liquidprompt https://github.com/liquidprompt/liquidprompt
nunez 3y ago
Note that most of ohmyzsh can be done in pure Bash
flaxton 3y ago
Loading time is not an issue for me. I run tmux so my sessions stay alive and performance is very quick. M2 MacBook Air with 16GB RAM, using Warp terminal. Using OMZ with Dracula Theme and mosh for remote servers.
andirk 3y ago
Am I the only one with almost nothing custom in my bash/zsh?
- al_borland 3y ago
  I add in a folder to my path where I keep scripts I wrote, that’s about it.
- encom 3y ago
  No, I've used vanilla Bash for two decades now. The only thing I change is make autocomplete not case sensitive, and set up an ls alias alias ll='ls -lvX --almost-all --group-directories-first --human-readable' I can sit at any machine and feel right at home.
- rnd0 3y ago
  I don't either. -hell, since I found out that "set -o emacs" gives me history and autocompletion I go even further and usually only use /bin/sh on NetBSD. I'm not sure what the use case for zsh and fish are, but I'm guessing it's different than mine. (edit/update: apparently, judging by a quicky netbsd 10 vm install, you don't even need to explicitly "set -o emacs". /bin/sh does it by default)
joejag 3y ago
I followed this advice and my shell went from 1530ms to 35ms startup time. Main culprits were language switchers (nvm, jabba, pyenv). Which I moved to lazy loading. If I drop the ohmyzsh plugins startup time is 11ms. But, I want some quality of life. There's a nice benchmarking command in the article if you want to test yours: for i in $(seq 1 10); do /usr/bin/time $SHELL -i -c exit; done
- wrboyce 3y ago
  That benchmark command isn’t great: https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench#how-not-to-benchmark https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench#how-not-to-benchmark
eigenvalue 3y ago
I use and like omyzsh, but find it super annoying how it deals with updating. It either nags you constantly to update, or if you set it to "auto," then it's constantly spamming you about how it's updating, and when you create a new shell session (say, in tmux), it causes significant lag before you can use the new shell and pollutes the console with tons of output. There has to be a better way, like some optional mode that just runs an update service in 3am silently using systemd.
cbarrick 3y ago
I never understood how omz was useful. Zsh already has a module system (autoload), a prompt framework (promptinit), and Git integration (vcs_info) builtin. I have a pretty extensive Zsh setup in vanilla Zsh: https://github.com/cbarrick/dotfiles https://github.com/cbarrick/dotfiles
- Ingaz 3y ago
  You're correct: omz adds not a lot to vanilla zsh. It consists of: - collection of plugins/themes - auto update - way to customize them Everything could be done directly in .zshrc, it's just a bit more convinient
  - sshine 3y ago
    I used zsh for a few years before oh-my-zsh became a thing. I have to admit that I don't find it more convenient. It takes an ecosystem where things have a way of working, and establishes new conventions on top of those using a new set of environment variables. So if you know zsh, you don't know oh-my-zsh. A vanilla zsh will feel very bare. A vanilla oh-my-zsh will feel very feature rich. If you end up configuring zsh anyways, I don't see the point at all.
sshine 3y ago
For comparison, here is my Zsh configuration in NixOS: { programs.starship = { enable = true; }; programs.zsh = { enable = true; enableCompletion = true; enableBashCompletion = true; enableGlobalCompInit = true; syntaxHighlighting.enable = true; syntaxHighlighting.highlighters = [ "main" "brackets" ]; histSize = 100000; # See `man zshoptions` for more details. setOptions = [ # Remove duplicates continuously from command history (preserve newest entry). "HIST_IGNORE_DUPS" # Instantly share command history between all active shells. "SHARE_HISTORY" # Alternative to: "APPEND_HISTORY", "INC_APPEND_HISTORY", # Disable ^S and ^Z for less accidental freezing. "FLOW_CONTROL" # Save timestamp and duration of each command in command history. "EXTENDED_HISTORY" ]; shellAliases = { rm = "rm -iv"; ls = "ls -F --color=auto"; gs = "git status"; gd = "git diff"; gdc = "git diff --cached"; gap = "git add -p"; gl = "git log"; gpr = "git pull --rebase"; }; interactiveShellInit = '' bindkey '^[[7~' beginning-of-line bindkey '^[[8~' end-of-line bindkey '^R' history-incremental-search-backward eval "$(starship init zsh)" ''; }; } My .zshrc used to be bigger, but I've slimmed it down to see what I actually use from it.
mbrumlow 3y ago
Just use fish.
dogmayor 3y ago
I prefer sheldon[1] for the few plugins I use [1] https://github.com/rossmacarthur/sheldon https://github.com/rossmacarthur/sheldon
KolenCh 3y ago
Zprezto is a good alternative which is also faster. I eventually migrated to zim because of its minimalist approach. I think starting from Oh My Zsh or zprezto can be a good choice. Once you get a feel of what zsh can accomplish, eventually probably you’ll one day find it too slow and/or too complicated and then would switch to something like zim to only load the things you know is useful from then.
firexcy 3y ago
These days I stick to a minimal profile for the default shell (zsh on macOS and bash on Linux), adding no further than some aliases. When I need more “friendly” interactive features I launch fish which is… friendly and interactive, and exit when I’m done. Thus I get the best of both worlds.
highmastdon 3y ago
Do yourself a favour and install fish-shell with starship.rs and call it a day. Make sure to put everything prompt related in a `if status --is-interactive` block. Blazing fast versatile fancy prompt and interactive human friendly shell. What does a man need more?

159 points by praash 3y ago

I used ohmyzsh with powerlevel10k/powerlevel10k[0] for years though recently i've settled on fish [1] [0] https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k https://github.com/romkatv/powerlevel10k [1] https://fishshell.com/ https://fishshell.com/

cybrox 3y ago
Can you summarize what made the switch worthwhile for you? I've been using zsh/omz with a customized powerlevel10k for years now and I see fish mentioned all the time but I didn't really find a compelling reason to try it out for myself.
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
  My niche use case is that since fish comes out of the box with a whole bunch of very nice features (syntax highlighting on the shell, really good autocompletion) it's easy for me to stick it into the set of shell scripts I use to turn a new Ubuntu VM into a dev productivity machine. [1] I could probably get Zsh to do all the same stuff I would want fish to do out of the box, but it would make reading through and reasoning about the shell scripts more difficult for third parties to audit, who may not be familiar with either tool before they try it. [1]: https://github.com/hiAndrewQuinn/shell-bling-ubuntu https://github.com/hiAndrewQuinn/shell-bling-ubuntu
- vorticalbox 3y ago
  only a few things that are probally also possible in zsh fish functions are super easy to create on the fly from a command updating $path is fish_add_path {path here} setting global variable is easy set -Ux FOO bar adding -g makes it global most of these require me to update my .zshrc and source ~/.zshrc as far as i am aware
- TheRoque 3y ago
  You just install it and it works. I change devices, or wipe out my devices often enough that just having a familiar shell installed in one line feels comfy. I usually don't customize things a lot, I pick something with good default and rarely change anything on it. I don't want to bother downloading plugins and addons, or fonts, or themes, just for a command interpreter.
- acdha 3y ago
  For me it came down to speed and maintenance. Fish is incredibly fast and I spend almost no time configuring it, so it’s trivial to bring up on a new system and I don’t have to exercise self-control to avoid tweaking it (that’s a personal failing, not other shells).
- theshrike79 3y ago
  It's easy to install. I used to have some fisher plugins, but gave up on those since none of them were really essential. When I set up a new computer I can just install fish and starship prompt and I'm mostly done. My fish configuration file is just aliasing and sourcing configs from other software, it's been a while since I had to touch it.
evnix 3y ago
I start using fish, really like its feature set, but then have to give up and switch back to zsh when I want to get anything done. Unlike zsh, Fish isn't compatible with bash syntax, so a lot of existing scripts and software just doesn't work right. Even today people write scripts as if bash already exists and they seem to always target it. I wish fish had some form of compatibility layer.
- osmsucks 3y ago
  I've been using it for years and most things I need nowadays just work (i.e. have Fish support out of the box). For all the rest, perhaps give https://github.com/edc/bass https://github.com/edc/bass a try.
- mulmen 3y ago
  Can you add a shebang and make the script executable or just run the script as an argument to the bash program?
  - arbitrandomuser 3y ago
    This . You just have to use fish for live interacting with the system aaand its great ,for everything else you can stick to bash. Don't even change your default shell with chsh ,rather just point your terminal emulator to launch fish
- jackhalford 3y ago
  Are sourcing bash scripts in a fish shell? If you can either run bash ./xyz or add the shebang #!/bin/bash to run scripts with the intended interpreter
- eviks 3y ago
  fish has a compatibility layer, and existing scripts still can use bash
- markstos 3y ago
  Fish runs bash scripts just fine, as it does any script with a shebang line. IT is increasingly compatible with random CLI commands copy and pasted from the internet. For those that don't work right away, just type `bash` to enter bash shell, run the command return back to Fish. If a significant part of your day is spent copying CLI command from the internet, then yes, perhaps Bash is a better choice for you.
notso411 3y ago
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Keyframe 3y ago
zsh, oh-my-zsh, p10k, fzf, and as of recently zsh-autosuggestions plugin for oh-my-zsh is what I ride on. I keep hearing about fish, and I see what it's doing but I'm not sure what it would bring to the table compared to the setup?
- hibbelig 3y ago
  So fish comes with nice defaults. It could happen that you have a complicated zsh setup, then migrate to fish and you find the defaults are fine. The fish scripting language is nicer (more logical) than the zsh one. That's because zsh needs to be Bourne-ish for historical reasons, and fish has decided to deviate from it. Existing sh, bash, zsh scripts will continue to work just fine. You can write new scripts in fish, or keep writing scripts in zsh or whatever.
mplanchard 3y ago
Yeah I tried zsh a few times and never really thought it gave me that much relative to my existing bash config. Fish on the other hand has stuck, and I'm still discovering nifty new built in features, like the fact that if you type `kill`, you can tab-complete on process names, so like if I want to kill emacs, I can type `kill ema<tab>` and select from the following: > kill ema 3296 (.blueman-applet) 3595 (.blueman-tray-w) 9324 (emacsclient) 9327 (emacs) 9557 (emacsql-sqlite) If there's only one match it completes the PID for you, and of course if you start typing a PID and press tab it shows the process names along with the potential completions. I use starship for prompt customization, which is nice because my config transfers just fine from bash over to fish.
- wyclif 3y ago
  What I do is use zsh as my default shell and use oh-my-zsh, but keep a very simple config for my ~/.bashrc, something like: [ -f ~/.fzf.bash ] && source ~/.fzf.bash source /Users/wyclif/.config/broot/launcher/bash/br This gives me the best of both worlds.
- JNRowe 3y ago
  FWIW, that is also the default behaviour of zsh's standard completion subsystem for kill. You can try it yourself: "zsh -f" to get a shell without reading a fancy config, start compinit, "kill <Tab>". You can even disable verbose mode via zstyle, should you be the type of person that likes a simple pid list like bash's completion project provides. To me this level of customization is the main feature zsh provides, but not everyone incessantly turns every knob they see.
  - mplanchard 3y ago
    Nice! It's super useful in fish, good to know it's in zsh too
cvdub 3y ago
fish has by far the best auto-completion out of the box. That’s what sold me. And the website is amazing. “Finally, a command line shell for the 90s”
mrd3v0 3y ago
Tide is as close to powerlevel10k as one can get in Fish. https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide

msephton 3y ago

PSA: simply installing this won't get you many benefits until you read about what it can do and then make an effort to use those things in your workflow.

turblety 3y ago
Any recommended reading? I found a cheatsheet [1] which seems useful, but there's not that much in there. 1. https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/wiki/Cheatsheet https://github.com/ohmyzsh/ohmyzsh/wiki/Cheatsheet

imdsm 3y ago

Been using it for years now, can't fault it, but I don't do too much with it

yla92 3y ago

Recently, I moved off from oh-my-zsh after many users, to vanilla zsh with https://starship.rs https://starship.rs, mainly due to the loading speed (used https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench to measure the speed). Still wanting to try out fish and hopefully soon!

_aaed 3y ago
If one of a product's main features is that it's written in Rust, it probably doesn't have anything unique compared to the competition
- rpigab 3y ago
  Which is a major selling point. We do not want anything unique. Ripgrep accept most basic flags that grep uses and is way faster (when searching for code under VC), and that makes using it very convenient, even before considering the features on top. I would prefer that you also write your HN comments in Rust, if that's possible, for better performance and safety. In the future, there will only be Rust. You have to accept Rust into your life.
- markstos 3y ago
  Fish has been great for years.The Rust rewrite will help the devs catch issues earlier in development. Hardly a main a feature. The awesome level tab-completion and auto-completion are the firs things to notice about Fish. Also, overall cleaner syntax and a several nice built-in commands that don't ship with Bash.
- bitwize 3y ago
  A memory-safe, fearlessly concurrent version of $thing is imho a huge win in and of itself. Soon a Rust userland will be table stakes.
- mplanchard 3y ago
  Not sure if you're talking about starship or fish, but starship is by far my favorite prompt customization tool, regardless of what language it's written in. It works across bash, zsh, fish, and others, so you can pretty easily get the same prompt in any shell on your system. It's easy to tweak as needed, but is pretty great out of the box.

Charlie_32 3y ago

I'm a developer of 10 years, and use the command line for Git, Brew and a few other things, though I'm normally an IDE developer. I believe the CL is as powerful as everyone says, but what are some useful things I can use it for? I use Zsh on a Mac some of the time.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
> but what are some useful things I can use it for? I mean, surely you already know? Anything where feeding input between different tasks, or where you want to use regex, or similar things the cl will be superior.
smcleod 3y ago
10 years in tech and you haven’t optimised your shell?
- Brajeshwar 3y ago
  20+ years in tech and these days, the first thing that comes to my mind is usually, “Can I walk out of this?” :-) The idea is to be able to use any computer/system/devices easily instead of one perfectly.
  - smcleod 3y ago
    Gosh, I couldn’t think of anything worse than having to optimise myself for generalist systems
    - kjellsbells 3y ago
      Might be a generational thing. Some folks grew up on systems that could fail at any time and leave them with nothing but the tools in /sbin to fix it with. No /usr, no bash/zsh, just sh and vi if you were lucky. You learn to love the cool new things, but you still have a mental bag packed with fsck and ed in case you need to bug out. It's silly, really because no systems are like that any more, but the things you learned at 2am when you were 22 tend to stick with you.

Zizizizz 3y ago

Zsh autosuggestions Zsh syntax highlighting Fzf-tab Paired with zoxide and fzf for the zsh keyboard shortcuts are all I need to be very productive. Starship.rs is very useful as well as a theme but pure and pl10k are also great.

notso411 3y ago
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radimm 3y ago

All good until your ZSH gets heavyweight and slow. Started using fish and never looked back

kekebo 3y ago
ZSH + Zimfw + Powerlevel10k is probably the fastest "bling"-y shell I managed to put together. Would usually smoke Fish, but I haven't compared recently
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FlyingSnake 3y ago
Came here to say this. Fish shell is such a fresh beeeze compared to zsh. Now it’s even rewritten in Rust!
- csmattryder 3y ago
  You've got to install Fisher, then get z, sponge and a few others from the awsm.fish list. Then you get trapped by the utility and struggle when you land on some remote server's bash shell. https://github.com/jorgebucaran/fisher https://github.com/jorgebucaran/fisher https://github.com/jorgebucaran/awsm.fish#readme https://github.com/jorgebucaran/awsm.fish#readme
jeroenhd 3y ago
OMZ is fast even on my phone. It turned slow for a whole after I installed anaconda. If you use conda and your shell is slow, try commenting out the code that loads conda, because it's probably that. nvm likes to slow things down too. Not as bad as conda, but I did add some code to delay load it. Do you know how fish would prevent getting slowed down by external scripts in its configuration file? Or does it just not support those scripts perhaps?
- mitemte 3y ago

Jackevansevo 3y ago

The defaults it ships out of the box makes the shell actually usable. Unsure I could ever go back to a regular bash/zsh prompt. A lot of people will tell you this is slow and you've got to use X,Y,Z instead. If you're new, I'd strongly recommend just sticking with this, it's much easier to configure.

peauc 3y ago

I would actually recommend using fish with budspencer theme which is really great https://github.com/oh-my-fish/theme-budspencer https://github.com/oh-my-fish/theme-budspencer

h4ch1 3y ago

zsh autosuggestions has been pretty slow for me compared to fish out of the box, switched a year or so back and have been pretty happy. maybe something has changed now :thinking-emoji: oh-my-fish is pretty much similar in capabilities and has a good assortment of themes. All I used that came with zsh were git shortcuts like gc -m "comment", gst for git status which i just recreated in my fish config.

funkyreg1 3y ago

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jackhalford 3y ago
Are you ok man?

wirrbel 3y ago

Grml zsh is all I need https://grml.org/zsh/ https://grml.org/zsh/

argulane 3y ago
grml is great! It has pretty much everything you need. grml config file is also quite readable and you can learn quite a lot from just reading it.
- wirrbel 3y ago
  I actually never used the live bootable cd of the grml project, just the zsh config

MissTake 3y ago

I use omz primarily with the Kubernetes addons - which are now integral to my existence. Does fish support something similar? If so then I could be encouraged to give it a whirl.

alxndr13 3y ago

funny coincidence, just finished re-modding my zsh. Removing omz, adding antidote and starship. feels (and measureably is) faster and snappier.

pprotas 3y ago

Do yourself a favor and try to configure your shell without ohmyzsh first. You’d be surprised at how few plugins actually require it, and you save yourself from horrible performance.

BytesAndGears 3y ago
Yeah I have a ton of customization including a really sweet looking prompt (that includes branch name & even git remote project name). Shortcut aliases and custom functions for everything that I use often. Atuin for Ctrl+R history searching. All without using any “plugins” or ohmyzsh. All just within my .zshrc, and a few extra files that get “sourced” depending which computer I’m on. Only occasional copy-pasting a few things I liked from StackOverflow. Basically instantaneous speed. Don’t even notice any performance penalties from all of the customization and styling. I did have a performance issue early on, but I profiled my zsh startup time and saw 97.5% of my shell startup was consumed by NVM (node version manager), and another 2.4% was RVM (ruby). Switched to FNM and Chruby instead, and it was zippy. And it’s all mine, so there are no “updates” to break anything. Throw it all in source control and you can keep improving it without risk of losing your previous working config.
- sshine 3y ago
  Customizing my prompt was a reason to stick to zsh instead of oh-my-zsh. But lately I've become really happy with just installing spaceship. Sure, it doesn't look exactly like I want it to. But it shows git status. Various features just "pop up" if I install the right things on the system.
  - tough 3y ago
    starship is the new spaceship, yo https://starship.rs/ https://starship.rs/
nunez 3y ago
100%. This is dotfiles on super easy mode. PS1 and PROMPT_COMMAND are your friends!

ivanhoe 3y ago

OMZ and zsh are great in many ways, but I still miss my CTRL + W from the bash, deleting the whole word regardless of the chars...

vault 3y ago
works perfectly fine for me. maybe you have misconfigured your terminal application?
JNRowe 3y ago
Like practically everything zsh, it can be configured. The select-word-style zle widget¹ ships with zsh, and has a bash compatible setting(among others). The interface is super powerful, and given that you can change it in individual zle widgets you can make it context aware if you wish too. ¹ https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/User-Contributions.html#Widgets https://zsh.sourceforge.io/Doc/Release/User-Contributions.ht...

poochkoishi728 3y ago

One time, I was cowboy coding and ended up writing `grhh` (`git reset --hard`) and hit enter before I realized that it was a mistake.

ivanjermakov 3y ago
Reflog to the rescue: https://git-scm.com/docs/git-reflog https://git-scm.com/docs/git-reflog

enw 3y ago

The following goes a long way: setopt PROMPT_SUBST HISTFILE=~/.zsh_history HISTSIZE=100000 SAVEHIST=100000 PROMPT='%B%(?..%F{red}%?%f )%F{blue}%~ %F{green}%#%f%b ' RPROMPT='%B%F{red}$(git branch --show-current 2> /dev/null)%f%b' And if you want autosuggestions: brew install zsh-autosuggestions Then add the following to your ~/.zshrc: source /opt/homebrew/share/zsh-autosuggestions/zsh-autosuggestions.zsh

Brajeshwar 3y ago
Hey, I must have copied something similar from somewhere but yes my first base setup of my shell is PROMPT='%{%F{red}%}%~ %{%F{yellow}%}% › %{%F{reset_color}%}%' Anything after (besides the path and the GPG setup) that is an add-on that I can remove and still function well. I've learned to live without Git info. But this is very personal and I have not been into active development for quite a while.

dsego 3y ago

One neat alternative is ohmyposh.dev

dogmayor 3y ago
ohmyposh is a prompt theming engine, not a plugin manager. But it is a great way to find a good prompt or create your own.
blentrop 3y ago
One option I really like liquid prompt[0]. Simple design which just shows the info I need without getting on my way [0] https://github.com/liquidprompt/liquidprompt https://github.com/liquidprompt/liquidprompt

nunez 3y ago

Note that most of ohmyzsh can be done in pure Bash

flaxton 3y ago

Loading time is not an issue for me. I run tmux so my sessions stay alive and performance is very quick. M2 MacBook Air with 16GB RAM, using Warp terminal. Using OMZ with Dracula Theme and mosh for remote servers.

andirk 3y ago

Am I the only one with almost nothing custom in my bash/zsh?

al_borland 3y ago
I add in a folder to my path where I keep scripts I wrote, that’s about it.
encom 3y ago
No, I've used vanilla Bash for two decades now. The only thing I change is make autocomplete not case sensitive, and set up an ls alias alias ll='ls -lvX --almost-all --group-directories-first --human-readable' I can sit at any machine and feel right at home.
rnd0 3y ago
I don't either. -hell, since I found out that "set -o emacs" gives me history and autocompletion I go even further and usually only use /bin/sh on NetBSD. I'm not sure what the use case for zsh and fish are, but I'm guessing it's different than mine. (edit/update: apparently, judging by a quicky netbsd 10 vm install, you don't even need to explicitly "set -o emacs". /bin/sh does it by default)

joejag 3y ago

I followed this advice and my shell went from 1530ms to 35ms startup time. Main culprits were language switchers (nvm, jabba, pyenv). Which I moved to lazy loading. If I drop the ohmyzsh plugins startup time is 11ms. But, I want some quality of life. There's a nice benchmarking command in the article if you want to test yours: for i in $(seq 1 10); do /usr/bin/time $SHELL -i -c exit; done

wrboyce 3y ago
That benchmark command isn’t great: https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench#how-not-to-benchmark https://github.com/romkatv/zsh-bench#how-not-to-benchmark

eigenvalue 3y ago

I use and like omyzsh, but find it super annoying how it deals with updating. It either nags you constantly to update, or if you set it to "auto," then it's constantly spamming you about how it's updating, and when you create a new shell session (say, in tmux), it causes significant lag before you can use the new shell and pollutes the console with tons of output. There has to be a better way, like some optional mode that just runs an update service in 3am silently using systemd.

cbarrick 3y ago

I never understood how omz was useful. Zsh already has a module system (autoload), a prompt framework (promptinit), and Git integration (vcs_info) builtin. I have a pretty extensive Zsh setup in vanilla Zsh: https://github.com/cbarrick/dotfiles https://github.com/cbarrick/dotfiles

Ingaz 3y ago
You're correct: omz adds not a lot to vanilla zsh. It consists of: - collection of plugins/themes - auto update - way to customize them Everything could be done directly in .zshrc, it's just a bit more convinient
- sshine 3y ago
  I used zsh for a few years before oh-my-zsh became a thing. I have to admit that I don't find it more convenient. It takes an ecosystem where things have a way of working, and establishes new conventions on top of those using a new set of environment variables. So if you know zsh, you don't know oh-my-zsh. A vanilla zsh will feel very bare. A vanilla oh-my-zsh will feel very feature rich. If you end up configuring zsh anyways, I don't see the point at all.

sshine 3y ago

For comparison, here is my Zsh configuration in NixOS: { programs.starship = { enable = true; }; programs.zsh = { enable = true; enableCompletion = true; enableBashCompletion = true; enableGlobalCompInit = true; syntaxHighlighting.enable = true; syntaxHighlighting.highlighters = [ "main" "brackets" ]; histSize = 100000; # See `man zshoptions` for more details. setOptions = [ # Remove duplicates continuously from command history (preserve newest entry). "HIST_IGNORE_DUPS" # Instantly share command history between all active shells. "SHARE_HISTORY" # Alternative to: "APPEND_HISTORY", "INC_APPEND_HISTORY", # Disable ^S and ^Z for less accidental freezing. "FLOW_CONTROL" # Save timestamp and duration of each command in command history. "EXTENDED_HISTORY" ]; shellAliases = { rm = "rm -iv"; ls = "ls -F --color=auto"; gs = "git status"; gd = "git diff"; gdc = "git diff --cached"; gap = "git add -p"; gl = "git log"; gpr = "git pull --rebase"; }; interactiveShellInit = '' bindkey '^[[7~' beginning-of-line bindkey '^[[8~' end-of-line bindkey '^R' history-incremental-search-backward eval "$(starship init zsh)" ''; }; } My .zshrc used to be bigger, but I've slimmed it down to see what I actually use from it.

mbrumlow 3y ago

Just use fish.

dogmayor 3y ago

I prefer sheldon[1] for the few plugins I use [1] https://github.com/rossmacarthur/sheldon https://github.com/rossmacarthur/sheldon

KolenCh 3y ago

Zprezto is a good alternative which is also faster. I eventually migrated to zim because of its minimalist approach. I think starting from Oh My Zsh or zprezto can be a good choice. Once you get a feel of what zsh can accomplish, eventually probably you’ll one day find it too slow and/or too complicated and then would switch to something like zim to only load the things you know is useful from then.

firexcy 3y ago

These days I stick to a minimal profile for the default shell (zsh on macOS and bash on Linux), adding no further than some aliases. When I need more “friendly” interactive features I launch fish which is… friendly and interactive, and exit when I’m done. Thus I get the best of both worlds.

highmastdon 3y ago

Do yourself a favour and install fish-shell with starship.rs and call it a day. Make sure to put everything prompt related in a `if status --is-interactive` block. Blazing fast versatile fancy prompt and interactive human friendly shell. What does a man need more?