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Yeah to be honest, a half-year sabbatical with time to job hunt non-frantically is a luxury I've never had. I love my current job, but I would probably look at

Yeah to be honest, a half-year sabbatical with time to job hunt non-frantically is a luxury I've never had. I love my current job, but I would probably look at a half year severance like a vacation.

hipadev23 3y ago
> non-frantically It appears to be very heavily biased toward artists, so even if they start that job hunt today, it’s still going to be frantic.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  6 months for an artist with Riot on their resume? I can't imagine that not at least opening doors for them.
- ocdtrekkie 3y ago
  That is indeed a fair point.
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0xjmp 3y ago
In this current job market 6 months to next job is a very quick turnaround...
- mlhpdx 3y ago
  Can you explain? Unemployment is still very, very low and there are hundreds of thousand of open positions out there. Not sure about game companies, hence my asking.
  - bragr 3y ago
    Not just gaming. Tech companies have been shedding jobs like crazy and slashing hiring. Pretty much every day there is news of some company slashing hundreds or thousand of jobs. Anecdotally, its not unusual to take 6 months to find a new job at only 2/3rd the previous salary.
    - whateveracct 3y ago
      Tech companies are definitely still hiring too though. My company is and I have no shortage of recruiter LinkedIn mail with leads should I need or want to find another job.
  - jachee 3y ago
    I read an article about this recently, but can’t find it to officially cite it. However, the thrust was something like this: Despite unemployment being low, the reality is that many of those “thousands of positions” are either geographically-distributed duplicates of the same position, eternally-open cattle calls, or open-but-basically-a-formality for either getting a visa or an internal move. This makes the number of actual openings quite opaque, yet much smaller than it appears.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      Yeah, that's my feeling. I see plenty of positions and still get maybe 5 calls a week for work. But it really does feel like most aren't even looking at my resume, nor do recruiters get much farther through a hiring manager. Of course I could simply be unlucky and swamped by other more attractive candidates. Apparently seniors are swamping Junior roles, so maybe I'm just competing with a bunch of staff/principals now in mid/senior roles.
    - ajmurmann 3y ago
      I don't think these numbers are for tech only anyways. Further, it seems like the high demand is around service jobs and not white-collar office jobs either. So it's probably easy to find a job, but you are gonna be selling donuts, not produce art for video games or earn 400k+ building apps.
    - mlhpdx 3y ago
      Fair, but it's also true that many of the positions eliminated were actually unfilled (paper shuffling). It's so hard to tell the facts from the spin.
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compiler-guy 3y ago
Six months is long enough to spend two months on the beach, two months looking for a job, and two months getting double paid.
goalonetwo 3y ago
Sorry for the intrusive question but if you make software engineer level salary how is it that you don't have multiple months/years saved to mitigate for those possible layoffs? Or did we all fall for the lifestyle inflation trap that comes with high salaries? I'm probably a pessimist/realist but I have always lived way below my income and saved as much as possible because it really feels like the cash cow that software engineering is is eventually going to end. Layoffs are always looming. When that day comes, I want to relax as much as possible and not have a deadline to find a job,
- thenewwazoo 3y ago
  The difference between multiple months/years of emergency savings and retirement savings is intent (and timeline). I could afford to take months or years off, but I’d rather let that money grow in an interest-bearing account for decades and spend it later.
  - goalonetwo 3y ago
    Sure, but in any case having savings (even retirement savings) allows you to not "frantically" look for a job and be slightly more selective.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      It's relative, but having to dig into your 401k isn't an attractive alternative, one I'd only consider in truly dire straits. You are capped in how much you can put in a year so it's not like a savings account you can aggressively make up for after getting hired. I'd much rather resort to temp work than dig deeply into my future if I had a choice. If I could help it I'd rather invest in
    - blackoil 3y ago
      It is primarily psychological difference. I have 10 years of expense as savings. But that is tied in my retirement/emergency/child education plans. If I stop earning for 1 year, I'll be dipping in them which will create a pressure.

Yeah to be honest, a half-year sabbatical with time to job hunt non-frantically is a luxury I've never had. I love my current job, but I would probably look at a half year severance like a vacation.

hipadev23 3y ago

> non-frantically It appears to be very heavily biased toward artists, so even if they start that job hunt today, it’s still going to be frantic.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
6 months for an artist with Riot on their resume? I can't imagine that not at least opening doors for them.
ocdtrekkie 3y ago
That is indeed a fair point.
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0xjmp 3y ago

In this current job market 6 months to next job is a very quick turnaround...

mlhpdx 3y ago
Can you explain? Unemployment is still very, very low and there are hundreds of thousand of open positions out there. Not sure about game companies, hence my asking.
- bragr 3y ago
  Not just gaming. Tech companies have been shedding jobs like crazy and slashing hiring. Pretty much every day there is news of some company slashing hundreds or thousand of jobs. Anecdotally, its not unusual to take 6 months to find a new job at only 2/3rd the previous salary.
  - whateveracct 3y ago
    Tech companies are definitely still hiring too though. My company is and I have no shortage of recruiter LinkedIn mail with leads should I need or want to find another job.
- jachee 3y ago
  I read an article about this recently, but can’t find it to officially cite it. However, the thrust was something like this: Despite unemployment being low, the reality is that many of those “thousands of positions” are either geographically-distributed duplicates of the same position, eternally-open cattle calls, or open-but-basically-a-formality for either getting a visa or an internal move. This makes the number of actual openings quite opaque, yet much smaller than it appears.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Yeah, that's my feeling. I see plenty of positions and still get maybe 5 calls a week for work. But it really does feel like most aren't even looking at my resume, nor do recruiters get much farther through a hiring manager. Of course I could simply be unlucky and swamped by other more attractive candidates. Apparently seniors are swamping Junior roles, so maybe I'm just competing with a bunch of staff/principals now in mid/senior roles.
  - ajmurmann 3y ago
    I don't think these numbers are for tech only anyways. Further, it seems like the high demand is around service jobs and not white-collar office jobs either. So it's probably easy to find a job, but you are gonna be selling donuts, not produce art for video games or earn 400k+ building apps.
  - mlhpdx 3y ago
    Fair, but it's also true that many of the positions eliminated were actually unfilled (paper shuffling). It's so hard to tell the facts from the spin.
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compiler-guy 3y ago

Six months is long enough to spend two months on the beach, two months looking for a job, and two months getting double paid.

goalonetwo 3y ago

Sorry for the intrusive question but if you make software engineer level salary how is it that you don't have multiple months/years saved to mitigate for those possible layoffs? Or did we all fall for the lifestyle inflation trap that comes with high salaries? I'm probably a pessimist/realist but I have always lived way below my income and saved as much as possible because it really feels like the cash cow that software engineering is is eventually going to end. Layoffs are always looming. When that day comes, I want to relax as much as possible and not have a deadline to find a job,

thenewwazoo 3y ago
The difference between multiple months/years of emergency savings and retirement savings is intent (and timeline). I could afford to take months or years off, but I’d rather let that money grow in an interest-bearing account for decades and spend it later.
- goalonetwo 3y ago
  Sure, but in any case having savings (even retirement savings) allows you to not "frantically" look for a job and be slightly more selective.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    It's relative, but having to dig into your 401k isn't an attractive alternative, one I'd only consider in truly dire straits. You are capped in how much you can put in a year so it's not like a savings account you can aggressively make up for after getting hired. I'd much rather resort to temp work than dig deeply into my future if I had a choice. If I could help it I'd rather invest in
  - blackoil 3y ago
    It is primarily psychological difference. I have 10 years of expense as savings. But that is tied in my retirement/emergency/child education plans. If I stop earning for 1 year, I'll be dipping in them which will create a pressure.