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The thing is, with my mediocre $5 VPS, all I needed to do was copy four lines of config files (as documented by the VPS provider) and open a port in the firewal

The thing is, with my mediocre $5 VPS, all I needed to do was copy four lines of config files (as documented by the VPS provider) and open a port in the firewall on the server itself, just like on IPv4. Amazon is horribly behind on a lot of things (just look how long it took them to get DNSSEC working, and it took them a couple of tries to not break entire domains for people using it!). They're ahead of Azure, but that's about the best you can say about that. I suppose it makes sense, IPv4 addressing is now an additional method to make money for Amazon, so why make it easy for customers to migrate?

decasia 3y ago
Yep, it crossed my mind that AWS has no incentive to optimize this particular process since they have planned to monetize it :/
- Animats 3y ago
  Yeah. That's a problem. A big problem. If AT&T and AWS went IPv6 by default, most of the US would convert over quickly.
  - joecool1029 3y ago
    > If AT&T and AWS went IPv6 by default, most of the US would convert over quickly. Comcast and the mobile carriers went ipv6 years ago, that's already something like over half the US endpoints? It hasn't sped adoption (Github STILL isn't ipv6 for git). Another example, I've been trying to get Georgia Tech to fix their ipv6 linux mirrors for over half a year, they advertise they support ipv6 and publish AAAA records that don't work. http://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/ http://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/ < check it out. So yeah, even when it's deployed nobody checks to see if it's still working when ipv4 is fine.
    - alright2565 3y ago
      That GTlib issue is frustrating. I've made a ticket -- maybe they'll prioritize a member of the GT community over a random person.
      - joecool1029 3y ago
        They already had one of the main Gentoo devs email them. Here's my bug report to Gentoo that prompted it: https://bugs.gentoo.org/911751 https://bugs.gentoo.org/911751 It's not the only issue it has continued to have.... https://bugs.gentoo.org/585524 https://bugs.gentoo.org/585524
        alright2565 3y ago
        > Thank you for contacting PACE. We appreciate your patience, as we are experiencing a larger volume of incidents and work-related activity. Please be mindful that we will begin our Maintenance Period starting at 6:00 AM on Tuesday, 01/23/2024, and tentatively plan to conclude by 11:59 PM on Friday, 01/26/2024. I'll continue to follow up here, but it seems like an actual human has read the message this time.
        joecool1029 3y ago
        > I'll continue to follow up here, but it seems like an actual human has read the message this time. Any word? Why not look up email for one of the staff here https://www.pace.gatech.edu/staff https://www.pace.gatech.edu/staff seems like they unfortunately don't check any of the primary emails for the mirror as we've not heard from them in a year or two. Again, we get it if they have upstream issues not being able to support ipv6, but drop the AAAA records and stop advertising it if that's the case, that's not a big request.
    - deleted 3y ago
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  - ikiris 3y ago
    ATT and Comcast both have had perfectly working ipv6 with prefix delegation for years.
  - photonbeam 3y ago
    We need google to downrank v4-only sites
    - geraldhh 3y ago
      c'mon don't be silly
  - apearson 3y ago
    AT&T looks to be at ~ 68% already https://radar.cloudflare.com/as7018 https://radar.cloudflare.com/as7018
- wg0 3y ago
  Or probably that's their way of forcing people to IPv6.
  - jdewerd 3y ago
    If they wanted people to migrate, they could first put a bit of effort into making their tools suck just a bit less on IPv6. It's not even "second class citizen" status, it's more "bastard stepchild of my least-favorite in-law" right now.
- zokier 3y ago
  Also their sizeable ipv4 stockpile is kind of a moat and competitive advantage; it's pretty much guaranteed that no other cloud provider can reach their scale while ipv4 remains dominant. So they have some interest in delaying ipv6. It is quite perverse considering that ipv6 really should be quite ideal for hyperscale cloud.
dotancohen 3y ago
Where is that VPS hosted?
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Contabo. They've supported IPv6 for a decade now based on the date on their instructions (https://contabo.com/blog/adding-ipv6-connectivity-to-your-server/ https://contabo.com/blog/adding-ipv6-connectivity-to-your-se...). Enabling IPv6 comes down to copying "gateway6: fe80::1" to your netplan file, adding the /64 listed in the control panel, and optionally adding an IPv6 DNS server. After a reboot (or sudo netplan apply) you'll have full IPv6 connectivity. Well, their default images come with a script that'll allow you to `sudo -H enable_ipv6`, but I removed their customisations so I had to do it manually. They have raised their prices since I last ordered a server there, it looks like €5,45 is the cheapest server you can get these days (includes VAT of course).
  - dotancohen 3y ago
    Terrific, thank you.

decasia 3y ago

Yep, it crossed my mind that AWS has no incentive to optimize this particular process since they have planned to monetize it :/

Animats 3y ago
Yeah. That's a problem. A big problem. If AT&T and AWS went IPv6 by default, most of the US would convert over quickly.
- joecool1029 3y ago
  > If AT&T and AWS went IPv6 by default, most of the US would convert over quickly. Comcast and the mobile carriers went ipv6 years ago, that's already something like over half the US endpoints? It hasn't sped adoption (Github STILL isn't ipv6 for git). Another example, I've been trying to get Georgia Tech to fix their ipv6 linux mirrors for over half a year, they advertise they support ipv6 and publish AAAA records that don't work. http://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/ http://rsync.gtlib.gatech.edu/ < check it out. So yeah, even when it's deployed nobody checks to see if it's still working when ipv4 is fine.
  - alright2565 3y ago
    That GTlib issue is frustrating. I've made a ticket -- maybe they'll prioritize a member of the GT community over a random person.
    - joecool1029 3y ago
      They already had one of the main Gentoo devs email them. Here's my bug report to Gentoo that prompted it: https://bugs.gentoo.org/911751 https://bugs.gentoo.org/911751 It's not the only issue it has continued to have.... https://bugs.gentoo.org/585524 https://bugs.gentoo.org/585524
      - alright2565 3y ago
        > Thank you for contacting PACE. We appreciate your patience, as we are experiencing a larger volume of incidents and work-related activity. Please be mindful that we will begin our Maintenance Period starting at 6:00 AM on Tuesday, 01/23/2024, and tentatively plan to conclude by 11:59 PM on Friday, 01/26/2024. I'll continue to follow up here, but it seems like an actual human has read the message this time.
        joecool1029 3y ago
        > I'll continue to follow up here, but it seems like an actual human has read the message this time. Any word? Why not look up email for one of the staff here https://www.pace.gatech.edu/staff https://www.pace.gatech.edu/staff seems like they unfortunately don't check any of the primary emails for the mirror as we've not heard from them in a year or two. Again, we get it if they have upstream issues not being able to support ipv6, but drop the AAAA records and stop advertising it if that's the case, that's not a big request.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
- ikiris 3y ago
  ATT and Comcast both have had perfectly working ipv6 with prefix delegation for years.
- photonbeam 3y ago
  We need google to downrank v4-only sites
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    c'mon don't be silly
- apearson 3y ago
  AT&T looks to be at ~ 68% already https://radar.cloudflare.com/as7018 https://radar.cloudflare.com/as7018
wg0 3y ago
Or probably that's their way of forcing people to IPv6.
- jdewerd 3y ago
  If they wanted people to migrate, they could first put a bit of effort into making their tools suck just a bit less on IPv6. It's not even "second class citizen" status, it's more "bastard stepchild of my least-favorite in-law" right now.
zokier 3y ago
Also their sizeable ipv4 stockpile is kind of a moat and competitive advantage; it's pretty much guaranteed that no other cloud provider can reach their scale while ipv4 remains dominant. So they have some interest in delaying ipv6. It is quite perverse considering that ipv6 really should be quite ideal for hyperscale cloud.

dotancohen 3y ago

Where is that VPS hosted?

jeroenhd 3y ago
Contabo. They've supported IPv6 for a decade now based on the date on their instructions (https://contabo.com/blog/adding-ipv6-connectivity-to-your-server/ https://contabo.com/blog/adding-ipv6-connectivity-to-your-se...). Enabling IPv6 comes down to copying "gateway6: fe80::1" to your netplan file, adding the /64 listed in the control panel, and optionally adding an IPv6 DNS server. After a reboot (or sudo netplan apply) you'll have full IPv6 connectivity. Well, their default images come with a script that'll allow you to `sudo -H enable_ipv6`, but I removed their customisations so I had to do it manually. They have raised their prices since I last ordered a server there, it looks like €5,45 is the cheapest server you can get these days (includes VAT of course).
- dotancohen 3y ago
  Terrific, thank you.