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It’s interesting that remote schooling is generally viewed as a failure, but remote work is viewed the opposite way. Personally, I think the benefits of in-per

It’s interesting that remote schooling is generally viewed as a failure, but remote work is viewed the opposite way. Personally, I think the benefits of in-person apply equally to both.

bitcharmer 3y ago
Why would you even compare the two?
- infotainment 3y ago
  Why not? Both are things that are traditionally done in-person, but went remote during the pandemic.
  - isilofi 3y ago
    For kids, there is the necessity to learn to socially interact with other kids. Adults either do not have to learn that anymore, or are hopeless anyways and won't learn it ever.
    - infotainment 3y ago
      The second someone graduates college (usually around 22ish), they no longer need any social interaction? That strikes me as a fairly bold claim.
      - Covenant0028 3y ago
        Social interaction is not synonymous with the office. Adults can choose to socially interact with any group (family, friends, shared interests) that they want to. In theory kids can do the same too, but in practice, you'd need some set of adults to get all those kids into the same place somehow, another set of adults to supervise them so they are safe etc... at which point it becomes more efficient to combine this with schooling. Also with working adults, there is an explicit expectation of delivery. Both the employer and the employee knows of the consequences for performance or non-performance, and part of being an adult is that you are aware of those consequences and choose to behave accordingly. With kids, such expectations aren't realistic.
    - JambalayaJim 3y ago
      “School” includes university as well
  - maximus-decimus 3y ago
    A lot of offices already had the infrastructure to do it and schools had 0 experience teaching via zoom and their tools were completely un-adapted.
    - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
      At least here in rural MN, it went so well that there's no such thing as a snow day anymore. Kids now know that if school's closed due to weather, they have to log on and do class remotely on their Chromebooks. One one hand, there's no travelling to school when it's dangerously icy with snow drifting across the roads. OTOH, kids get pissed because they remember when they'd have a snow day.
  - insane_dreamer 3y ago
    because comparing children with adults and studying with working is truly an apples and oranges comparison
d3w4s9 3y ago
That's a bold statement and I have so many questions. Let me pick a simple one: do people regularly drive half an hour or more to send their kids to school?
- ghaff 3y ago
  Maybe half an hour is long but I'd say, if a kid doesn't take the school bus, it's probably not that out of the norm.
  - infotainment 3y ago
    Yup, and if kids can take a bus, then so can adults. I realize this isn't the case for everyone, but in the case of the tech professionals that likely make up the bulk of the HN audience, living in a place that's a 30+ minute drive to work was a choice that person made.
vunderba 3y ago
I'm not sure why you find it surprising. School exists in part to provide lower socioeconomic demographics with a part-time stable environment for their children. Also, workers are paid during that time, whereas children, particularly of younger age, can't really be expected to maintain concentration for 7+ hours in a physically isolated environment with no other children, or a teacher watching.
Gigachad 3y ago
Because people care if they or their kids are having their own learning and development impacted. While they do not care if the companies ability to function is degraded. Notice how the people who are impacted by this are the ones calling to return to in office.
urbandw311er 3y ago
You’re right that is interesting and I’ve not seen the two compared before. Made me think. I think one of the sibling replies nails it though - it’s the difference between who is negatively impacted overall, ie “us versus them”. Fully appreciate it’s more nuanced than this of course and there is some negative impact on some people having to WFH.
insane_dreamer 3y ago
children != adults

It’s interesting that remote schooling is generally viewed as a failure, but remote work is viewed the opposite way. Personally, I think the benefits of in-person apply equally to both.

bitcharmer 3y ago

Why would you even compare the two?

infotainment 3y ago
Why not? Both are things that are traditionally done in-person, but went remote during the pandemic.
- isilofi 3y ago
  For kids, there is the necessity to learn to socially interact with other kids. Adults either do not have to learn that anymore, or are hopeless anyways and won't learn it ever.
  - infotainment 3y ago
    The second someone graduates college (usually around 22ish), they no longer need any social interaction? That strikes me as a fairly bold claim.
    - Covenant0028 3y ago
      Social interaction is not synonymous with the office. Adults can choose to socially interact with any group (family, friends, shared interests) that they want to. In theory kids can do the same too, but in practice, you'd need some set of adults to get all those kids into the same place somehow, another set of adults to supervise them so they are safe etc... at which point it becomes more efficient to combine this with schooling. Also with working adults, there is an explicit expectation of delivery. Both the employer and the employee knows of the consequences for performance or non-performance, and part of being an adult is that you are aware of those consequences and choose to behave accordingly. With kids, such expectations aren't realistic.
  - JambalayaJim 3y ago
    “School” includes university as well
- maximus-decimus 3y ago
  A lot of offices already had the infrastructure to do it and schools had 0 experience teaching via zoom and their tools were completely un-adapted.
  - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
    At least here in rural MN, it went so well that there's no such thing as a snow day anymore. Kids now know that if school's closed due to weather, they have to log on and do class remotely on their Chromebooks. One one hand, there's no travelling to school when it's dangerously icy with snow drifting across the roads. OTOH, kids get pissed because they remember when they'd have a snow day.
- insane_dreamer 3y ago
  because comparing children with adults and studying with working is truly an apples and oranges comparison

d3w4s9 3y ago

That's a bold statement and I have so many questions. Let me pick a simple one: do people regularly drive half an hour or more to send their kids to school?

ghaff 3y ago
Maybe half an hour is long but I'd say, if a kid doesn't take the school bus, it's probably not that out of the norm.
- infotainment 3y ago
  Yup, and if kids can take a bus, then so can adults. I realize this isn't the case for everyone, but in the case of the tech professionals that likely make up the bulk of the HN audience, living in a place that's a 30+ minute drive to work was a choice that person made.

vunderba 3y ago

I'm not sure why you find it surprising. School exists in part to provide lower socioeconomic demographics with a part-time stable environment for their children. Also, workers are paid during that time, whereas children, particularly of younger age, can't really be expected to maintain concentration for 7+ hours in a physically isolated environment with no other children, or a teacher watching.

Gigachad 3y ago

Because people care if they or their kids are having their own learning and development impacted. While they do not care if the companies ability to function is degraded. Notice how the people who are impacted by this are the ones calling to return to in office.

urbandw311er 3y ago

You’re right that is interesting and I’ve not seen the two compared before. Made me think. I think one of the sibling replies nails it though - it’s the difference between who is negatively impacted overall, ie “us versus them”. Fully appreciate it’s more nuanced than this of course and there is some negative impact on some people having to WFH.

insane_dreamer 3y ago

children != adults