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No, it's hysteria. This is common practice on non-load-bearing access panels. I've seen many times on in-service commercial aircraft.

karolist 3y ago
Safety margins should be at their max before flight, I'm thankful engineers at Airbus put more bolts than required if they go missing mid flight, but before take-off it should be back at 100% safety margin.
- tjohns 3y ago
  No aircraft would ever fly then. You'd be surprised how much equipment on every single flight is inoperative or scheduled for deferred maintenance. There's an engineered threshold at which an aircraft is deemed not airworthy. On airliners, this is managed through a Minimum Equipment List (MEL), which is a formal checklist that tells the crew which equipment is allowed to be broken (and for how long). This threshold is less than 100% by design, because little things break all the time. It can take days/weeks in the shop to fix issues, so you need to batch up all the maintenance. (Can you imagine if you had to take every aircraft offline for several days after every flight?) And that's okay, because there's still a large safety margin built in as long as the MEL is followed.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    > Can you imagine if you had to take every aircraft offline for several days after every flight? That's exactly what the air force does. Most of their jets require tens of hours of maintenance for every flight hour!
    - lostmsu 3y ago
      Maybe when they are not used for their main purpose in full capacity.
ikiris 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance
spuz 3y ago
When the authorities you've placed your trust in have demonstrated they're incapable of doing their job to keep you safe, it's normal to take that authority back into your own hands. It would only be hysteria if the Boeing incident hadn't indicated a systemic failure in the air-safety system.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > the authorities you've placed your trust in have demonstrated they're incapable of doing their job to keep you safe Who has done that? One plane lost a plug, with no injuries. Who else has gotten even injured in a commercial US flight in the last year?
- deschutes 3y ago
  please. i'll take any odds that the vast majority of people on the plane are voluntarily flying for leisure. it's hysteria.
tjohns 3y ago
Every aircraft has some missing screws. Literally every aircraft. That's why there's so many of them. Some of them matter, and the pilots keep a close eye on those during the preflight checks. Others, matter less so. (A single missing screw on a prop spinner - big problem. A missing screw on a non-structural plastic aerodynamic fairing - okay to defer, literally zero risk.)

karolist 3y ago

Safety margins should be at their max before flight, I'm thankful engineers at Airbus put more bolts than required if they go missing mid flight, but before take-off it should be back at 100% safety margin.

tjohns 3y ago
No aircraft would ever fly then. You'd be surprised how much equipment on every single flight is inoperative or scheduled for deferred maintenance. There's an engineered threshold at which an aircraft is deemed not airworthy. On airliners, this is managed through a Minimum Equipment List (MEL), which is a formal checklist that tells the crew which equipment is allowed to be broken (and for how long). This threshold is less than 100% by design, because little things break all the time. It can take days/weeks in the shop to fix issues, so you need to batch up all the maintenance. (Can you imagine if you had to take every aircraft offline for several days after every flight?) And that's okay, because there's still a large safety margin built in as long as the MEL is followed.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > Can you imagine if you had to take every aircraft offline for several days after every flight? That's exactly what the air force does. Most of their jets require tens of hours of maintenance for every flight hour!
  - lostmsu 3y ago
    Maybe when they are not used for their main purpose in full capacity.

ikiris 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance

spuz 3y ago

When the authorities you've placed your trust in have demonstrated they're incapable of doing their job to keep you safe, it's normal to take that authority back into your own hands. It would only be hysteria if the Boeing incident hadn't indicated a systemic failure in the air-safety system.

wolverine876 3y ago
> the authorities you've placed your trust in have demonstrated they're incapable of doing their job to keep you safe Who has done that? One plane lost a plug, with no injuries. Who else has gotten even injured in a commercial US flight in the last year?
deschutes 3y ago
please. i'll take any odds that the vast majority of people on the plane are voluntarily flying for leisure. it's hysteria.

tjohns 3y ago

Every aircraft has some missing screws. Literally every aircraft. That's why there's so many of them. Some of them matter, and the pilots keep a close eye on those during the preflight checks. Others, matter less so. (A single missing screw on a prop spinner - big problem. A missing screw on a non-structural plastic aerodynamic fairing - okay to defer, literally zero risk.)