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This is what they get for investing in anti-EV FUD instead of investing in EVs. It’s also what they get for enshittifying cars. China might sell me the car I w

by api 3y ago

This is what they get for investing in anti-EV FUD instead of investing in EVs. It’s also what they get for enshittifying cars. China might sell me the car I want: simple, ultra reliable, long range, no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me, and made of standard parts making it cheap to repair. Just a motor, battery, wheels, and basic car comforts. I don’t want to see China win this one but I’ve felt it coming for a while.

Detrytus 3y ago
> no tracking LOL, you do realize that you're talking about a totalitarian country with "social credit" system, and probably most advanced surveillance tech in the world?
- nathanyukai 3y ago
  Not sure if you realise that the social credit system is commonly misinterpreted ? It's just a similar financial credit score system in the west. Theres nothing in place that remotely looks like that episode of black mirror.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Can you spell out the similarities and differences?
  - Avicebron 3y ago
    Idk. Looking at the credit system in the west I would say it's suitably dystopian so not really any points there
- medo-bear 3y ago
  In a digitalized world, we all live in a totalitarian system. For example, Meta Corp has a relationship graph that would certainly make even the East German Stasi jealous and on a global scale. Fun fact: China has more liberal laws on cryptography than, for example, Australia (which mandates backdoors for companies operating in land of oz)
tpm 3y ago
> China might sell me the car I want: simple, ultra reliable, long range, no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me, and made of standard parts making it cheap to repair. Just a motor, battery, wheels, and basic car comforts. But it won't be like that, will it. There will be an infotainment system with broken features and no updates, there will be tracking and of course some software is inevitable in modern cars, not least because the regulations demand that. There will be no standard parts. The reliability remains to be seen.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Does it have Android Auto... Because if it does that is all I need. Something GM is taking away
rowyourboat 3y ago
All Chinese cars I've seen for sale here so far had infotainment systems and pointless use of touch screens.
jtwaleson 3y ago
Indeed, and this also explains the popularity of Dacia. I would go a step further and say that I don't even want some safety features if the cost/benefit ratio is not unequivocally positive. The safety push in the car industry is great for incumbent manufacturers but bad for consumers on a budget. I fully realize we still lose too many people in car accidents, but I'd rather use public transport or bikes for 90% of my travels and own a slightly unsafer but very cheap car that I use sporadically. (This is in a region that is very bike-friendly with superb public transport).
- unglaublich 3y ago
  That's the problem, it's not about your safety, it's about that of your environment. And Dacia's, especially their cheap SUVs, are horrible at keeping pedestrians safe.
- adriancr 3y ago
  I wouldn't dismiss the safety feature a modern car has, you never know when you might need them. Features like auto braking system are incredible. I know someone where this saved a kids life (kid ran on the road from between cars right in front of a car). The crash safety feature on high end cars are also incredible, I know someone else with a completely mangled up car after a high speed crash just walk and be fine. I am also old enough to know people that have died or with lasting damage like paralysis or back issues from crashes quite some time ago.
  - FLT8 3y ago
    I have a car with auto braking. It's never prevented an accident but has nearly caused a few. When exiting onto a cambered road, it senses the slope of the road in front of the car as being an object that it thinks I'm about to hit, and stops randomly. It then refuses to move again until I completely take my foot off the accelerator and depress the brake fully. The fact that it takes a good couple of seconds to coordinate all of this is super dangerous, especially when trying to pull out in a gap in a high traffic area. I'd rather take my chances without it to be honest. I've also had the lane-assist try and yank me towards oncoming traffic. Also not fun.
bryanlarsen 3y ago
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j-a-a-p 3y ago
https://www.squadmobility.com/ https://www.squadmobility.com/ I love the concept, but where I live there are too many trees....
rightbyte 3y ago
> no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me It would be hillarous if we start to prefer Chinese cars due to privacy reasons ... It wouldn't surprise me really if spyware are only to be made legal in cars the gov. feels it controls the manufacturer of.
margorczynski 3y ago
> This is what they get for investing in anti-EV FUD instead of investing in EVs. A lot of the "FUD" are actually very valid concerns - the energy needed, the grid, where to actually charge them when living in an apartment, many times without a dedicated garage space. On top of that the cost - cost of a new one and cost of repair. Sorry but seems a lot of the "FUD" argument comes from very well of IT/Tech people who live in a kind of ivory castle where $50k for a new car where one small fender-bender costs thousands is not much. > China might sell me the car I want: simple, ultra reliable, long range, no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me, and made of standard parts making it cheap to repair They won't, at least in the UE cause of regulations.

by api 3y ago

Detrytus 3y ago

> no tracking LOL, you do realize that you're talking about a totalitarian country with "social credit" system, and probably most advanced surveillance tech in the world?

nathanyukai 3y ago
Not sure if you realise that the social credit system is commonly misinterpreted ? It's just a similar financial credit score system in the west. Theres nothing in place that remotely looks like that episode of black mirror.
- actionfromafar 3y ago
  Can you spell out the similarities and differences?
- Avicebron 3y ago
  Idk. Looking at the credit system in the west I would say it's suitably dystopian so not really any points there
medo-bear 3y ago
In a digitalized world, we all live in a totalitarian system. For example, Meta Corp has a relationship graph that would certainly make even the East German Stasi jealous and on a global scale. Fun fact: China has more liberal laws on cryptography than, for example, Australia (which mandates backdoors for companies operating in land of oz)

tpm 3y ago

> China might sell me the car I want: simple, ultra reliable, long range, no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me, and made of standard parts making it cheap to repair. Just a motor, battery, wheels, and basic car comforts. But it won't be like that, will it. There will be an infotainment system with broken features and no updates, there will be tracking and of course some software is inevitable in modern cars, not least because the regulations demand that. There will be no standard parts. The reliability remains to be seen.

phpisthebest 3y ago
Does it have Android Auto... Because if it does that is all I need. Something GM is taking away

rowyourboat 3y ago

All Chinese cars I've seen for sale here so far had infotainment systems and pointless use of touch screens.

jtwaleson 3y ago

Indeed, and this also explains the popularity of Dacia. I would go a step further and say that I don't even want some safety features if the cost/benefit ratio is not unequivocally positive. The safety push in the car industry is great for incumbent manufacturers but bad for consumers on a budget. I fully realize we still lose too many people in car accidents, but I'd rather use public transport or bikes for 90% of my travels and own a slightly unsafer but very cheap car that I use sporadically. (This is in a region that is very bike-friendly with superb public transport).

unglaublich 3y ago
That's the problem, it's not about your safety, it's about that of your environment. And Dacia's, especially their cheap SUVs, are horrible at keeping pedestrians safe.
adriancr 3y ago
I wouldn't dismiss the safety feature a modern car has, you never know when you might need them. Features like auto braking system are incredible. I know someone where this saved a kids life (kid ran on the road from between cars right in front of a car). The crash safety feature on high end cars are also incredible, I know someone else with a completely mangled up car after a high speed crash just walk and be fine. I am also old enough to know people that have died or with lasting damage like paralysis or back issues from crashes quite some time ago.
- FLT8 3y ago
  I have a car with auto braking. It's never prevented an accident but has nearly caused a few. When exiting onto a cambered road, it senses the slope of the road in front of the car as being an object that it thinks I'm about to hit, and stops randomly. It then refuses to move again until I completely take my foot off the accelerator and depress the brake fully. The fact that it takes a good couple of seconds to coordinate all of this is super dangerous, especially when trying to pull out in a gap in a high traffic area. I'd rather take my chances without it to be honest. I've also had the lane-assist try and yank me towards oncoming traffic. Also not fun.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

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j-a-a-p 3y ago

https://www.squadmobility.com/ https://www.squadmobility.com/ I love the concept, but where I live there are too many trees....

rightbyte 3y ago

> no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me It would be hillarous if we start to prefer Chinese cars due to privacy reasons ... It wouldn't surprise me really if spyware are only to be made legal in cars the gov. feels it controls the manufacturer of.

margorczynski 3y ago

> This is what they get for investing in anti-EV FUD instead of investing in EVs. A lot of the "FUD" are actually very valid concerns - the energy needed, the grid, where to actually charge them when living in an apartment, many times without a dedicated garage space. On top of that the cost - cost of a new one and cost of repair. Sorry but seems a lot of the "FUD" argument comes from very well of IT/Tech people who live in a kind of ivory castle where $50k for a new car where one small fender-bender costs thousands is not much. > China might sell me the car I want: simple, ultra reliable, long range, no infotainment system, no tracking, no subscriptions, no attempts to foist software on me, and made of standard parts making it cheap to repair They won't, at least in the UE cause of regulations.