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I really resent the marketing of this product. It's as if they invented the cheap RF chips they're using and are the exclusive distributors of it. It's rubbed

I really resent the marketing of this product. It's as if they invented the cheap RF chips they're using and are the exclusive distributors of it. It's rubbed me as thoroughly dishonest and fraudulent. I know this is currently a minority position, that's why I took the time to state it.

ok_dad 3y ago
They made a product that’s really easy to use out of a bunch off of the shelf components. What’s fraudulent about that? I haven’t seen them claim any features that the device doesn’t have. They literally have the chip product numbers they use for each module on their home page! They’re not hiding it!
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fortran77 3y ago
Really? I like mine. Learned a lot about RFID and was able to successfully copy and clone some hotel prox card. Sure, they didn't "invent" the chips inside, but they put the hardware and software in a nice package, included software, and grew a nice community of hackers around it. Because of the popularity of the device, there are third parties, some less reputable than others, trying to ride their coattails. Perhaps that's what you're reacting to?
- brendoelfrendo 3y ago
  I was able to clone my apartment fob using a tool I got for $30 on Amazon, and it even came with extra blank fobs and cards to clone to. Flipper Zero can more than just clone RFID keys, but my point is that the tools exist to do all the things it does and do them cheaper, and they're just as easy to use. If you really need a tool that can do them all, though, I can't really argue with the utility; but I do kind of agree with the GP comment that Flipper didn't exactly do anything that hasn't been done before.
  - wffurr 3y ago
    Other than create the marketing buzz and pull together a community of hackers to make the on ramp to this type of programming easier.
    - kristopolous 3y ago
      And that's really it. It's purely a marketing play. I guess my other frustration is when I see people who I thought were pretty clever not realize that
      - dinkleberg 3y ago
        No offense, but that is a pretty one-dimensional view of products and businesses. So many great products are just an exciting and/or user-friendly version of a simple concept and well marketed which opens up the doors to a much larger audience than the original concept otherwise would've received. This approach isn't a cheap cop out, it is serving a genuine utility and bridging the technology to more people.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        I get it at this sophisticated level as well. I'm surprised by how many don't
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hobs 3y ago
>Flipper was inspired by the pwnagotchi project, but unlike other DIY boards, Flipper is designed with the convenience of everyday usage in mind Front page, nothing about their copy or their website says what you think it says.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  You know they've released a lot more than a landing page, right? They were initially a kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flipper-devices/flipper-zero-tamagochi-for-hackers https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flipper-devices/flipper... They created a fast-food substitution product and have been trying to pass it off as the real thing. It's a hardware script kiddie device and that's exactly how their videos depict it. I was always turned off by their approach since first seeing it in 2019. I've played with the device, get their facebook ads all the time, tried to change my mind about it but 5 years later I keep coming back to the same animosity towards it. These are all easy to teach things and this thing shrouds that fact through product alienation intentionally distancing the user from any real hacker education and replacing it with animations and theatrics. I'm cool being dismissed as a crank. They're obviously successful millionaires and I'm not.
  - tommit 3y ago
    It sounds more like gatekeeping to me rather than being cranky. Not saying you are actively doing so, but I'm not sure RFID and the likes are "easy to teach things". Quite the contrary, actually. So if this motivates some teens to go out possibly discover an affinity for hacking, it has done its job. That's my thought of this product anyway.
IshKebab 3y ago
I think you're just feeling that you knew about something "before it was cool", and now anyone can do it so you aren't special anymore.

ok_dad 3y ago

They made a product that’s really easy to use out of a bunch off of the shelf components. What’s fraudulent about that? I haven’t seen them claim any features that the device doesn’t have. They literally have the chip product numbers they use for each module on their home page! They’re not hiding it!

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fortran77 3y ago

Really? I like mine. Learned a lot about RFID and was able to successfully copy and clone some hotel prox card. Sure, they didn't "invent" the chips inside, but they put the hardware and software in a nice package, included software, and grew a nice community of hackers around it. Because of the popularity of the device, there are third parties, some less reputable than others, trying to ride their coattails. Perhaps that's what you're reacting to?

brendoelfrendo 3y ago
I was able to clone my apartment fob using a tool I got for $30 on Amazon, and it even came with extra blank fobs and cards to clone to. Flipper Zero can more than just clone RFID keys, but my point is that the tools exist to do all the things it does and do them cheaper, and they're just as easy to use. If you really need a tool that can do them all, though, I can't really argue with the utility; but I do kind of agree with the GP comment that Flipper didn't exactly do anything that hasn't been done before.
- wffurr 3y ago
  Other than create the marketing buzz and pull together a community of hackers to make the on ramp to this type of programming easier.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    And that's really it. It's purely a marketing play. I guess my other frustration is when I see people who I thought were pretty clever not realize that
    - dinkleberg 3y ago
      No offense, but that is a pretty one-dimensional view of products and businesses. So many great products are just an exciting and/or user-friendly version of a simple concept and well marketed which opens up the doors to a much larger audience than the original concept otherwise would've received. This approach isn't a cheap cop out, it is serving a genuine utility and bridging the technology to more people.
      - kristopolous 3y ago
        I get it at this sophisticated level as well. I'm surprised by how many don't

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hobs 3y ago

>Flipper was inspired by the pwnagotchi project, but unlike other DIY boards, Flipper is designed with the convenience of everyday usage in mind Front page, nothing about their copy or their website says what you think it says.

kristopolous 3y ago
You know they've released a lot more than a landing page, right? They were initially a kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flipper-devices/flipper-zero-tamagochi-for-hackers https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/flipper-devices/flipper... They created a fast-food substitution product and have been trying to pass it off as the real thing. It's a hardware script kiddie device and that's exactly how their videos depict it. I was always turned off by their approach since first seeing it in 2019. I've played with the device, get their facebook ads all the time, tried to change my mind about it but 5 years later I keep coming back to the same animosity towards it. These are all easy to teach things and this thing shrouds that fact through product alienation intentionally distancing the user from any real hacker education and replacing it with animations and theatrics. I'm cool being dismissed as a crank. They're obviously successful millionaires and I'm not.
- tommit 3y ago
  It sounds more like gatekeeping to me rather than being cranky. Not saying you are actively doing so, but I'm not sure RFID and the likes are "easy to teach things". Quite the contrary, actually. So if this motivates some teens to go out possibly discover an affinity for hacking, it has done its job. That's my thought of this product anyway.

IshKebab 3y ago

I think you're just feeling that you knew about something "before it was cool", and now anyone can do it so you aren't special anymore.