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I concur with the flagged reply. The Houthis provided a solution on day 1: a ceasefire to end the genocide in Gaza. We will look back on the escalation of the
by Cyph0n 3y ago
I concur with the flagged reply. The Houthis provided a solution on day 1: a ceasefire to end the genocide in Gaza.
We will look back on the escalation of the conflict in Yemen as a strategic blunder. The Biden administration is digging itself deeper & deeper into a hole of its own making.
- Papirola 3y agothere's an even simpler solution to the war in gaza: have hamas release all the hostages.
- tmnvix 3y agoThat won't stop the hostilities. Israel has two stated objectives: free the hostages and eliminate Hamas. The Israeli government is very unlikely to agree to a ceasefire in return for the hostages.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> won't stop the hostilities It would undermine a lot of Israel’s international support. At the end of the day, the Houthis aren’t in Gaza. Them raising random asks is orthogonal to the security threat they pose. Piracy is piracy.
- prmph 3y agoFreeing the hostages AND giving up their weapons AND committing to not attack Israel again will end the war.
- tim333 3y agoEven keeping their weapons but saying they'll try to live in peace with Israel would be a huge change. However it's part of Hamas's founding charter to destroy Israel and they aren't prepared to give it up, which then leads the the jolly situation we have now.
- HDThoreaun 3y agoBut gazans wont do that. They live in a prison camp, why would they ever commit to not attacking Israel again?
- ekianjo 3y ago> The Houthis provided a solution on day 1: a ceasefire to end the genocide in Gaza. Really? That seems to be funny for a group that is actively promoting another kind of genocide as part of their political manifesto: > The group's slogan reads as following: "God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement If you had such neighbors they might just decide to kill you if you are not of their tribe. Not sure why people would whitewash such a group of extremists.
- richrichie 3y ago[flagged]
- fakedang 3y agoBecause Westerners who support extremists are extremely stupid and self-damaging. Don't take my word for it, just listen to the UAE foreign minister's view on it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dV4m43xZmY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-dV4m43xZmY The West things they know Islam, specifically radical Islam, better than we do, because they did two semesters worth of courses on Middle Eastern studies at their local university.
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- ekianjo 3y ago
- bdhess 3y agoAka cede de facto authority over international waters to a buncha thugs whose official slogan includes “death to America, death to Israel”. No thanks.
- raverbashing 3y agoOne thing that seems to be confirmed over and over is how people who come up with "just negotiate with them" seem to have a thinking process that does not span over a couple of days Funny how those people never seem to have any reservations to what hamas did, or any of the history of the past 20 yrs
- jedimind 3y ago[flagged]
- raverbashing 3y agoNot without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence > like the perpetual ethnic-cleansing Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries
- Incipient 3y agoFwiw, I both sides are so bloodstained that neither is the right choice. The absolute bare minimum of a position is "I'm taking the less bad side" but I think both are so awful neither honestly viable to support on a social level (political is different)
- jedimind 3y ago[flagged]
- jedimind 3y ago> Not without reservations, but it's not like Israel's neighbors tolerated its existence Of course not, why on earth would anyone tolerate a bunch of invaders taking over their land? Zionists are really still making that argument as if it makes a lick of sense. No sane human would react otherwise. >Funny you ask that, makes me wonder what happened to the jews of the levantine and arab countries What came first? Exactly, Zionists started ethnic-cleansing Palestinians and IN RESPONSE their neighbors acted in kind, which by the way was exactly what Zionists wanted anyway. They wanted and needed as many jews in occupied Palestine as possible, so it was an emotional response from their neighbors that was a moral and strategic mistake.
- ycombinete 3y agoGeopolitical Chesterton’s Fence: if you can’t explain why the Houthis existed before 2023; then you shouldn’t give opinions on what motivates them now.
- Cyph0n 3y agoOh, I have been aware of the Houthis and their agenda since their rise as part of the Yemeni revolution and subsequent civil war. Whether we like it or not, the Houthis are now a major player in Yemen. As for the current situation, my point was to clarify that the Houthis didn’t just randomly wake up in the morning one day and start attacking commercial ships for no reason. They communicated their reasoning and demands from the very start, and made it clear that this was their response to the ongoing genocide in Gaza. The US response was to simply ignore their demands and just bomb Yemen. This is a mistake. The Houthis (and Iran by proxy) are no strangers to conflict. Bombing Yemen will do nothing to stop attacks on commercial shipping - in fact, it probably will escalate them. Worse yet, starting a new conflict doesn’t help the negative reputation the US has built up over the past few months in the eyes of the so-called global south. Instead, this gives China an excellent opportunity to step in as a (actually) neutral power.
- tptacek 3y agoAnsar Allah was targeting commercial shipping in the Red Sea long before the Gaza crisis.
- Cyph0n 3y agoWell, assuming that’s true, it’s clearly happening at a different scale here. The global response is proof.
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- raverbashing 3y agoAh yes so nice of them to worry about Gaza, I'm sure it's all due to how pure of heart they are /s > Bombing Yemen will do nothing to stop attacks on commercial shipping This is bully logic. It can escalate the conflict, yes, but destruction of artillery and missiles works
- Dalewyn 3y ago[flagged]
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- prmph 3y ago[flagged]
- hackerlight 3y ago> If Palestine didn't want war they shouldn't have let Hamas initiate acts of war We should avoid collectivizing the motives and capabilities of heterogeneous individuals, many of them children, and many of them adults who do not support Hamas's atrocities but had no ability to stop them without being killed themselves. It's one thing to say that the civilian deaths in this war are unfortunate collateral damage, it's another thing to do away with the concept of collateral damage entirely and pretend that every single individual bears moral culpability for Hamas's actions, just for the crime of being born on the wrong side of the fence.
- tety 3y agoIt's tragic, but there was and is wide support of October 7 attacks in Gaza, as well there was wide participation of the civilian (non-organization aligned) population in the massacres, including looting, killing, kidnapping and probably rape. Furthermore, Hamas was elected by the population under popular vote, and it is a palestinian organization entrenched in every facet of civilian organizations and life, and strongly stems from palestinian cultural norms (e.g. islamism, martyrdom, etc) You cannot completely act as if Hamas is not the defacto government in Gaza, and in any war in history, especially urban warfare in civilian setting with non-uniformed combatants, you cannot truly hurt only the military apparatus without also hurting civilians. This is simply a fact of life. It is a Western trope going as far back as the Nazis to act as if governments have no representation of their citzenship, especially authocratic ones. Even to this day for example, the German government of 1933-1945 are called 'the nazis' rather than germans, as if they came from outer space, and returned to their planet on 1945, leaving none of their members in the Western/Eastern Germany governments.
- tmnvix 3y agoI may have missed it, but the failure of any western leaders to publicly acknowledge the Houthi's stated reasons for their actions (and by extension their demands) is conspicuous.
- tptacek 3y agoIt conspicuously indicates that nobody takes their public statements seriously.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoNo one is taking their words seriously, just their actions.
- hayst4ck 3y ago[flagged]
- Protostome 3y agoActually, there's no genocide happening in Gaza. Yes, there are way too many civilian casualties, which is awful. But here's the thing: Hamas often launches attacks from places where people live, putting those civilians in danger. They kind of use this as a tactic, because the more civilian casualties there are, the more pressure is on Israel to stop fighting. Now, about those tunnels in Gaza – they're everywhere, right? But Hamas doesn't let ordinary folks use them for safety. That's pretty different from Israel, where new apartments have had to include bunkers since the 90s, and you can find bomb shelters all over the place. So, the sad truth is, the high number of civilians dying in Gaza is mainly because of how Hamas operates, using its own people as a shield.
- hayst4ck 3y ago[flagged]
- Protostome 3y agoI get where you're coming from, But let's put things in perspective. First off, nobody's saying that the loss of innocent lives, especially children, isn't tragic. It's heartbreaking, and every life lost is a huge deal. But saying that Israel is intentionally targeting children and women oversimplifies and misrepresents the reality. You mentioned feeling ashamed, like back during the Iraq war, but consider this: have you ever been in the shoes of a country under constant threat from a radical militant group? Imagine if 1,200 of your citizens were attacked, with the clear intent of causing as much harm as possible. What would you expect your country to do? Most people would say: stop the threat, make sure it never happens again. Hamas (and many of its supporters in the west) claim that the attack is a response for Israel making Gaza "an open-air-prison" – it's inaccurate to say the least. Yes, Israel did enforce a blockade on Gaza, but it's crucial to understand why. It wasn't to make life miserable for Gazans. The main goal was to prevent weapons from getting to Hamas, a group that's openly committed to destroying Israel. And it's not like everything else was blocked – food, medicine, and other essentials were still getting through after security checks. Hamas makes their goals regarding Israel very clear in their covenant. It's not just about land or politics; it's about an ideology that doesn't recognize jews right to exist in this tiny piece of land. Sure, Israel isn't perfect. Mistakes happen in war, and they should be acknowledged and dealt with. But calling it genocide? That's a stretch. Genocide involves the deliberate, systematic attempt to wipe out a group of people. In all the conflicts, Israel has actually taken enormous efforts to minimize civilian casualties, like warning civilians of upcoming attacks, especially in this ongoing conflict. I'm curoious to get your perspective - how do you think a country should react to attacks from a group like Hamas? It's a tough question, right? What's the right balance between defending your citizens and ensuring minimal harm to the other side, especially when that side uses civilians as shields?
- prmph 3y ago[flagged]
- rasz 3y agoLike the 2022 ceasefire https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-houthis-after-the-yemeni-cease-fire/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-houthis-after-the-yem... ? Lets not stop there and do a ceasefire with russia by abandoning Ukraine.
- xorcist 3y agoThis is nonsense. While it is true that they recently included the customary references to Satan, Israel and the USA in their communications, that is to be understood as allegiance to the shiites in Iran. It includes references to standard phrases the Mullahs always use in their communication. The conflict in Yemen is an old one, and one that the US has always indirectly played a part in, given their seemingly unwavering support of the Saudis. Every power player in the region has been a part of this conflict. It's why there still is civil war in Sudan(!). It's a conflict so complex that makes the Palestinian conflict look trivial in comparison.