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Between this and the horror stories coming out of the Midwest[1] it is not a good week for Tesla 1. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/16/1224913698/teslas-chicago-ch

Between this and the horror stories coming out of the Midwest[1] it is not a good week for Tesla 1. https://www.npr.org/2024/01/16/1224913698/teslas-chicago-charging-extreme-cold https://www.npr.org/2024/01/16/1224913698/teslas-chicago-cha...

ijhuygft776 3y ago
Im glad I rented a Tesla (as opposed to buy one)... I even rented it on accident because they were out of small gas sedans.
andsoitis 3y ago
From your linked article: > The challenges Tesla owners are facing aren't specific to the carmaker. One should wonder why the title (and story) is not about EVs generally? I will offer a very cynical answer: NPR and The Guardian (which is misrepresenting the scope and cause - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39065628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39065628) have an axe to grind, but need to walk a fine line as to come across as being anti-EV.
- tw04 3y ago
  >One should wonder why the title (and story) is not about EVs generally? Because you're taking it out of context? The story is about Tesla owners having issues getting their cars charged and long supercharger lines which both occurred. There were no reports of long-lines at CCS chargers that I heard of on any of the EV forums I participate in. The "not specific to the carmaker" was in regard to Lithium batteries (generically) struggling in super-cold weather. Furthermore, you completely disregard the fact there's an entire section about how other Tesla owners weren't having issues charging in the cold. Between the two I guess the question is do you have an axe to grind with NPR or are you just upset there's negative (deserved) press about Tesla supercharging struggling in sub-zero temps? Some of it is their fault, some of it is an education thing, but Tesla also does a pretty horrible job of educating owners on charging etiquette.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > Between the two I guess the question is do you have an axe to grind with NPR or are you just upset there's negative (deserved) press about Tesla supercharging struggling in sub-zero temps? The story seems blown out of proportion. News outlets get to choose what they report on, which itself is part of sentiment making. There are way more interesting and important issues to report on, and I wish that NPR, which is one of my main news sources, would do a better job. So yes, as a customer of NPR I am voicing my dissatisfaction.
    - tw04 3y ago
      >The story seems blown out of proportion. Not really? You had large numbers of people literally having to get their cars towed. If I lived in Chicago and needed to charge my car, I'd absolutely want this reported on. Anytime there has been a gas shortage and long lines (like when Florida faces a hurricane) it is quite newsworthy. Both for the people that live in the area (so they can make other accommodations) and nationally so they know they should probably stay clear of the area. Are you running around complaining about that reporting as well? >There are way more interesting and important issues to report on, and I wish that NPR, which is one of my main news sources, would do a better job. Like what? You're acting as if there's some major breaking story they ignored to report on this. Can you point to anything beyond a vague "there's other things they could report on and this isn't interesting to me personally"? You haven't actually stated why this isn't newsworthy beyond you don't feel it is. What about "hey don't go to a supercharger if you live in Chicago and it's super cold" isn't important or newsworthy to Tesla owners/renters/drivers?
- edgyquant 3y ago
  Okay, how about one of literally any other news source (I found this on ground news and picked NPR to avoid being accused of conservative bias) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/business/tesla-charging-chicago-cold-weather.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/business/tesla-charging-c... https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook.amp https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook.amp https://abc7news.com/amp/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-freezing-cold-weather-teslas-not-batteries/14330309/ https://abc7news.com/amp/chicago-area-tesla-charging-station... I think what it is is that you are coming out to defend Tesla because you’re taking this as a personal attack.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > I think what it is is that you are coming out to defend Tesla because you’re taking this as a personal attack. Ok this particular issue I would defend Tesla because I do think the story is blown out of proportion (with different news outlets having differing motivations). There are other issues on which I am very critical of Tesla, such as hiring and labor practices. There are very few, if any, people or companies or organizations who are “all evil” or “all good”. The problem is that as humans we tend to pick a side and then confirmation bias kicks in. We can all be better.
    - edgyquant 3y ago
      Maybe, but in this instance it wasn’t me who did that I simply posted a piece of news that is definitely happening. I was in Chicago yesterday and these are not exaggerating the long lines etc
b112 3y ago
Wow. 0F is just normal temps for many areas, for 3+ months. It's not really that cold. Many Canadians just start to wear gloves at that temp.
- kramerger 3y ago
  Newspapers in Sweden are having a field day with Tesla after last week's heavy snow. Seems like all the horror stories about people being stranded in 20F with a dead car and no heating come from Tesla owners. I'm happy nobody has died yet, but from what we saw it's just a matter of time before whole families are found dead
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    Im no particular Tesla fan, but I do suspect that if 3 ICE cars were stranded with no heat and 1 Tesla was, you’d hear about the Tesla story. In some way, this is actually useful as people need to know the differences and possible new risks with an EV. On the other hand, it’s still biased.
    - b112 3y ago
      It's not biased to report "car brand X becomes useless because of temps, unlike all other cars" That is indeed a story, and should caution those in certain environments not to buy that brand. It also shows a lack of testing, to sell cars into a market, where they won't work reliably for part of the year. And a completely different tact, a car breaking down is expected. An entire production model being flawed, and defective, is not. This is not even slightly biased.
    - kramerger 3y ago
      There have been multiple stories about EVs getting stuck in snow then running out of battery and being towed. But the particular cases where the car itself has broken down seem to be limited to Teslas. Even in the heavily moderated Tesla Club Sweden forum people have started questioning the reliability of these cars in the winter.
  - 3y ago
rootusrootus 3y ago
It sounds like they need to redesign the holder for the end of the cable so it doesn't fall out into the snow. Frankly, it's been obvious for years, at any temperature the holder for the cable is a little finicky. Finding the cable on the ground is somewhat common.

ijhuygft776 3y ago

Im glad I rented a Tesla (as opposed to buy one)... I even rented it on accident because they were out of small gas sedans.

andsoitis 3y ago

From your linked article: > The challenges Tesla owners are facing aren't specific to the carmaker. One should wonder why the title (and story) is not about EVs generally? I will offer a very cynical answer: NPR and The Guardian (which is misrepresenting the scope and cause - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39065628 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39065628) have an axe to grind, but need to walk a fine line as to come across as being anti-EV.

tw04 3y ago
>One should wonder why the title (and story) is not about EVs generally? Because you're taking it out of context? The story is about Tesla owners having issues getting their cars charged and long supercharger lines which both occurred. There were no reports of long-lines at CCS chargers that I heard of on any of the EV forums I participate in. The "not specific to the carmaker" was in regard to Lithium batteries (generically) struggling in super-cold weather. Furthermore, you completely disregard the fact there's an entire section about how other Tesla owners weren't having issues charging in the cold. Between the two I guess the question is do you have an axe to grind with NPR or are you just upset there's negative (deserved) press about Tesla supercharging struggling in sub-zero temps? Some of it is their fault, some of it is an education thing, but Tesla also does a pretty horrible job of educating owners on charging etiquette.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > Between the two I guess the question is do you have an axe to grind with NPR or are you just upset there's negative (deserved) press about Tesla supercharging struggling in sub-zero temps? The story seems blown out of proportion. News outlets get to choose what they report on, which itself is part of sentiment making. There are way more interesting and important issues to report on, and I wish that NPR, which is one of my main news sources, would do a better job. So yes, as a customer of NPR I am voicing my dissatisfaction.
  - tw04 3y ago
    >The story seems blown out of proportion. Not really? You had large numbers of people literally having to get their cars towed. If I lived in Chicago and needed to charge my car, I'd absolutely want this reported on. Anytime there has been a gas shortage and long lines (like when Florida faces a hurricane) it is quite newsworthy. Both for the people that live in the area (so they can make other accommodations) and nationally so they know they should probably stay clear of the area. Are you running around complaining about that reporting as well? >There are way more interesting and important issues to report on, and I wish that NPR, which is one of my main news sources, would do a better job. Like what? You're acting as if there's some major breaking story they ignored to report on this. Can you point to anything beyond a vague "there's other things they could report on and this isn't interesting to me personally"? You haven't actually stated why this isn't newsworthy beyond you don't feel it is. What about "hey don't go to a supercharger if you live in Chicago and it's super cold" isn't important or newsworthy to Tesla owners/renters/drivers?
edgyquant 3y ago
Okay, how about one of literally any other news source (I found this on ground news and picked NPR to avoid being accused of conservative bias) https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/business/tesla-charging-chicago-cold-weather.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/business/tesla-charging-c... https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook.amp https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook.amp https://abc7news.com/amp/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-freezing-cold-weather-teslas-not-batteries/14330309/ https://abc7news.com/amp/chicago-area-tesla-charging-station... I think what it is is that you are coming out to defend Tesla because you’re taking this as a personal attack.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > I think what it is is that you are coming out to defend Tesla because you’re taking this as a personal attack. Ok this particular issue I would defend Tesla because I do think the story is blown out of proportion (with different news outlets having differing motivations). There are other issues on which I am very critical of Tesla, such as hiring and labor practices. There are very few, if any, people or companies or organizations who are “all evil” or “all good”. The problem is that as humans we tend to pick a side and then confirmation bias kicks in. We can all be better.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    Maybe, but in this instance it wasn’t me who did that I simply posted a piece of news that is definitely happening. I was in Chicago yesterday and these are not exaggerating the long lines etc

b112 3y ago

Wow. 0F is just normal temps for many areas, for 3+ months. It's not really that cold. Many Canadians just start to wear gloves at that temp.

kramerger 3y ago
Newspapers in Sweden are having a field day with Tesla after last week's heavy snow. Seems like all the horror stories about people being stranded in 20F with a dead car and no heating come from Tesla owners. I'm happy nobody has died yet, but from what we saw it's just a matter of time before whole families are found dead
- sokoloff 3y ago
  Im no particular Tesla fan, but I do suspect that if 3 ICE cars were stranded with no heat and 1 Tesla was, you’d hear about the Tesla story. In some way, this is actually useful as people need to know the differences and possible new risks with an EV. On the other hand, it’s still biased.
  - b112 3y ago
    It's not biased to report "car brand X becomes useless because of temps, unlike all other cars" That is indeed a story, and should caution those in certain environments not to buy that brand. It also shows a lack of testing, to sell cars into a market, where they won't work reliably for part of the year. And a completely different tact, a car breaking down is expected. An entire production model being flawed, and defective, is not. This is not even slightly biased.
  - kramerger 3y ago
    There have been multiple stories about EVs getting stuck in snow then running out of battery and being towed. But the particular cases where the car itself has broken down seem to be limited to Teslas. Even in the heavily moderated Tesla Club Sweden forum people have started questioning the reliability of these cars in the winter.
- 3y ago

rootusrootus 3y ago

It sounds like they need to redesign the holder for the end of the cable so it doesn't fall out into the snow. Frankly, it's been obvious for years, at any temperature the holder for the cable is a little finicky. Finding the cable on the ground is somewhat common.