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Heart attack, indoors, after waiting outside in -22F for ~20 minutes, and less than 45 minutes after returning inside. Claims of insufficient "warming packs" f

by ncr100 3y ago

Heart attack, indoors, after waiting outside in -22F for ~20 minutes, and less than 45 minutes after returning inside. Claims of insufficient "warming packs" for employees. Claims management prevented employees from warming in their automobiles. GoFund me https://www.gofundme.com/f/paulo-bezerra https://www.gofundme.com/f/paulo-bezerra $17k so far. 50 year old man, with baby & spouse.

DANmode 3y ago
> Claims management prevented employees from warming in their automobiles. 100 years and some stuff hasn't changed a bit.
- HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
  Prevented how? I've had fire alarms go off at the office in a Minnesota winter and half the people outside were in their cars. No way were you going to be able to stop people from doing that when it's below 0F.
  - junon 3y ago
    So they're lying and completely to blame, right?
    - randomdata 3y ago
      Did you reply to the wrong comment by chance? There is nothing that questions the veracity of the claim or anything said about blame, merely a wondering of how the prevention was carried out as he imagines the force would need to be pretty extreme to stop someone based on his experience in cold Minnesota. If you don't know the answer, it's okay. This isn't ChatGPT where when there is no good answer you have to hallucinate something to not break the UX. You don't have to dream up something unrelated to the discussion just to reply. Users here are fine with and expect no response when something cannot be answered.
      - junon 3y ago
        ... what?
  - alex_lav 3y ago
    I’m curious why you’re so passionately against believing regular people in favor of a giant megacorp? What’s the logic here?
    - 15457345234 3y ago
      The management at that level are also going to be regular people who probably live in the same community as the people they are managing and have zero incentive to prevent employees from warming themselves in their vehicles. The story simply fails to compute. You're not talking about weird kingly bosses who live on Elysium and think that the poors should eat bugs, you're talking about light-blue collar management. Also the source is dogshit. Not really a fan of Amazon but perfectly capable of recognising a hitpiece.
      - randomdata 3y ago
        > have zero incentive to prevent employees from warming themselves in their vehicles. I would think the angry mob of people without vehicles to warm in would provide a pretty good incentive. "Why do they get to stay in their warm cars while we're stuck out in the cold?" can escalate pretty quickly. I don't envy the supervisors. What do you do? You don't want to see your brethren exit the shelter they found, but you also don't want to get lynched by those who couldn't find shelter.
        15457345234 3y ago
        > I would think the angry mob of people without vehicles to warm in would provide a pretty good incentive. You know that humans in stressful situations don't immediately go all lord-of-the-flies, what actually happens is that people help each other. So people would let other people share their cars. I swear to god sometimes it's like nobody here has ever met a person.
        randomdata 3y ago
        Of course. But you do understand that cars can only hold so many people, right? So the people turned in the opposite direction by helping each other brave the cold. The people with cars could have gone all “I got mine”, but once made aware that others were suffering chose to act to the benefit of the group instead. It’s interesting how you managed to write an entire comment about just that, yet don’t seem to understand it.
  - marcusverus 3y ago
    Excuse me, sir, are you calling into question this anonymously sourced allegation? Seriously? It was sourced from the prestigious lfpress.com. The 1400th most-visited site in Canada! Journalists make great sacrifices to bring us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Instead of thinking unhelpful thoughts like "people lie all the time, why should I trust some two-bit reporter from a newspaper that nobody has ever heard of?", why not take off the tin-foil hat and join the rest of us in assuming that all people--especially those anonymous few who are completely shielded from the consequences of lying--are telling the truth at all times. Like, when is the last time that a journalist misled anyone? It's just not in their nature.
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by ncr100 3y ago

DANmode 3y ago

> Claims management prevented employees from warming in their automobiles. 100 years and some stuff hasn't changed a bit.

HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
Prevented how? I've had fire alarms go off at the office in a Minnesota winter and half the people outside were in their cars. No way were you going to be able to stop people from doing that when it's below 0F.
- junon 3y ago
  So they're lying and completely to blame, right?
  - randomdata 3y ago
    Did you reply to the wrong comment by chance? There is nothing that questions the veracity of the claim or anything said about blame, merely a wondering of how the prevention was carried out as he imagines the force would need to be pretty extreme to stop someone based on his experience in cold Minnesota. If you don't know the answer, it's okay. This isn't ChatGPT where when there is no good answer you have to hallucinate something to not break the UX. You don't have to dream up something unrelated to the discussion just to reply. Users here are fine with and expect no response when something cannot be answered.
    - junon 3y ago
      ... what?
- alex_lav 3y ago
  I’m curious why you’re so passionately against believing regular people in favor of a giant megacorp? What’s the logic here?
  - 15457345234 3y ago
    The management at that level are also going to be regular people who probably live in the same community as the people they are managing and have zero incentive to prevent employees from warming themselves in their vehicles. The story simply fails to compute. You're not talking about weird kingly bosses who live on Elysium and think that the poors should eat bugs, you're talking about light-blue collar management. Also the source is dogshit. Not really a fan of Amazon but perfectly capable of recognising a hitpiece.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      > have zero incentive to prevent employees from warming themselves in their vehicles. I would think the angry mob of people without vehicles to warm in would provide a pretty good incentive. "Why do they get to stay in their warm cars while we're stuck out in the cold?" can escalate pretty quickly. I don't envy the supervisors. What do you do? You don't want to see your brethren exit the shelter they found, but you also don't want to get lynched by those who couldn't find shelter.
      - 15457345234 3y ago
        > I would think the angry mob of people without vehicles to warm in would provide a pretty good incentive. You know that humans in stressful situations don't immediately go all lord-of-the-flies, what actually happens is that people help each other. So people would let other people share their cars. I swear to god sometimes it's like nobody here has ever met a person.
        randomdata 3y ago
        Of course. But you do understand that cars can only hold so many people, right? So the people turned in the opposite direction by helping each other brave the cold. The people with cars could have gone all “I got mine”, but once made aware that others were suffering chose to act to the benefit of the group instead. It’s interesting how you managed to write an entire comment about just that, yet don’t seem to understand it.
- marcusverus 3y ago
  Excuse me, sir, are you calling into question this anonymously sourced allegation? Seriously? It was sourced from the prestigious lfpress.com. The 1400th most-visited site in Canada! Journalists make great sacrifices to bring us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Instead of thinking unhelpful thoughts like "people lie all the time, why should I trust some two-bit reporter from a newspaper that nobody has ever heard of?", why not take off the tin-foil hat and join the rest of us in assuming that all people--especially those anonymous few who are completely shielded from the consequences of lying--are telling the truth at all times. Like, when is the last time that a journalist misled anyone? It's just not in their nature.
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