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The data does not support the conclusion. Cops bring cases based on what’s chargeable. The conviction rate staying the same may be an indictment of the DA, sinc

The data does not support the conclusion. Cops bring cases based on what’s chargeable. The conviction rate staying the same may be an indictment of the DA, since the composition of cases brought has changed. For example, if you used “overdoses reversed by narcan”, you’d think SFPD only started working in the mid-2010s and has been on a tear in the last two years. Meanwhile, their booking rates for public intoxication are on the historic floor.

jeffbee 3y ago
Their booking rates for murder, robbery, rape, assault and all other major crimes are also on the floor. No thinking person believes the police fail to solve rapes because they're just demoralized over whether the case will go to trial. It's because they are incompetent.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Support here for this is ideological, in other words non-thinking
  - shuckles 3y ago
    If you’re accusing me of being an ideologue, you could not be more wrong. Especially on this matter, where I am a relative expert (I have worked as a paid consultant on criminal justice reform projects) and my interlocutor appears to have a fairly shallow, mainstream progressive understanding of the dynamics at play in policing.
- shuckles 3y ago
  SFPD’s clearance rate for violent crime has been basically flat from 2010-2020. This is despite having a flat budget in real terms paired with increasing demands for professionalization in policing from county and state oversight authorities. This has led to a department composed of more paper pushers and fewer patrol officers. Compare this to a place like Vegas which has something like a 90%+ murder clearance rate for decades straight because they also have the country’s 2nd biggest crime lab after the FBI and a well-trained and invested in police force. You can’t increase the overhead of policing, keep budgets the same, and then look at lower outputs and scream work strike.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Isn't that in the noise though? SF does not have a lot of violent crime to begin with, and rape is not something that the police often catch anyways (rather it is reported than acted on by the police). Staffing levels have also fallen drastically, peaking at 1900 officers in 2017 compared to 1600 in 2023, while population is increasing at the same time.

jeffbee 3y ago

Their booking rates for murder, robbery, rape, assault and all other major crimes are also on the floor. No thinking person believes the police fail to solve rapes because they're just demoralized over whether the case will go to trial. It's because they are incompetent.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Support here for this is ideological, in other words non-thinking
- shuckles 3y ago
  If you’re accusing me of being an ideologue, you could not be more wrong. Especially on this matter, where I am a relative expert (I have worked as a paid consultant on criminal justice reform projects) and my interlocutor appears to have a fairly shallow, mainstream progressive understanding of the dynamics at play in policing.
shuckles 3y ago
SFPD’s clearance rate for violent crime has been basically flat from 2010-2020. This is despite having a flat budget in real terms paired with increasing demands for professionalization in policing from county and state oversight authorities. This has led to a department composed of more paper pushers and fewer patrol officers. Compare this to a place like Vegas which has something like a 90%+ murder clearance rate for decades straight because they also have the country’s 2nd biggest crime lab after the FBI and a well-trained and invested in police force. You can’t increase the overhead of policing, keep budgets the same, and then look at lower outputs and scream work strike.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Isn't that in the noise though? SF does not have a lot of violent crime to begin with, and rape is not something that the police often catch anyways (rather it is reported than acted on by the police). Staffing levels have also fallen drastically, peaking at 1900 officers in 2017 compared to 1600 in 2023, while population is increasing at the same time.