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Those places that don't have housing emergencies generally have just as bad regulations, and would have the same problems the instant they became appealing enou

Those places that don't have housing emergencies generally have just as bad regulations, and would have the same problems the instant they became appealing enough to move there. Eventually you run out of built out sprawl.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
> hose places that don't have housing emergencies generally have just as bad regulations, and would have the same problems the instant they became appealing enough to move there. If American population was equalized across these other cities, there would be less pressure on the few hot places everyone wants to move now, since our population isn't growing so much these days. > Eventually you run out of built out sprawl. Manhattan is not a sprawl and a very desirable place to live, with super high rents to boot. Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, and even Tokyo are the same, so I'm not sure what you are trying to claim here. Out of all those, only Tokyo does well, but that wasn't the case in the 80s and is on the basis of a moribund economy and a not growing national population (one wonders when Seoul and SH will follow). IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way (or at least, make sure residents don't have as much money to bid up housing).
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  >Manhattan is not a sprawl and a very desirable place to live, with super high rents to boot. Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, and even Tokyo are the same, so I'm not sure what you are trying to claim here. Those cities are actually impossible to have in America (yes, including Manhattan), because of zoning laws and various other laws. Manhattan is only allowed to exist because it's grandfathered in and the local laws allow it. Such a city could never be built anywhere else in the US without some huge changes in legislation (not to mention local culture, since that drives the local legislation). >IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way Tokyo works because growth isn't limited: it's very easy to build here, unlike in the US. Tokyo builds hundreds of thousands of new housing units every single year, while the US struggles to build any. This is entirely because of regulations.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Fun fact: the US and Italy have about the same number of elevators, because it costs us about ten times more to build one.
    - bagels 3y ago
      I've seen be some terrifying elevators in Italy.
  - throwaway2037 3y ago
    More about Tokyo new units here: https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/361409_dcd5637049764634986dd04f150452e0.html https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/361409_dcd56370... Title = How Tokyo built its way to abundant housing TL;DR: Since 1995 (yes, during the lost decade) they are building ~150k new "dwellings" per year. Wow.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      How many are they tearing down to rebuild? Buildings only last ~20-30 years in Japan, so a lot of those are just replacing something that was torn down.
      - throwaway2037 3y ago
        > Buildings only last ~20-30 years in Japan This is a myth in central Tokyo.
- astrange 3y ago
  > Out of all those, only Tokyo does well, but that wasn't the case in the 80s and is on the basis of a moribund economy and a not growing national population (one wonders when Seoul and SH will follow). Japan's economy is growing again (Nikkei is now at the level it was in 1990) and Tokyo's population has always been growing. …but the rent isn't, because they allow infill development.
- CPLX 3y ago
  > IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way This makes about as much sense as fucking for virginity

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

> hose places that don't have housing emergencies generally have just as bad regulations, and would have the same problems the instant they became appealing enough to move there. If American population was equalized across these other cities, there would be less pressure on the few hot places everyone wants to move now, since our population isn't growing so much these days. > Eventually you run out of built out sprawl. Manhattan is not a sprawl and a very desirable place to live, with super high rents to boot. Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, and even Tokyo are the same, so I'm not sure what you are trying to claim here. Out of all those, only Tokyo does well, but that wasn't the case in the 80s and is on the basis of a moribund economy and a not growing national population (one wonders when Seoul and SH will follow). IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way (or at least, make sure residents don't have as much money to bid up housing).

shiroiuma 3y ago
>Manhattan is not a sprawl and a very desirable place to live, with super high rents to boot. Hong Kong, Seoul, Shanghai, and even Tokyo are the same, so I'm not sure what you are trying to claim here. Those cities are actually impossible to have in America (yes, including Manhattan), because of zoning laws and various other laws. Manhattan is only allowed to exist because it's grandfathered in and the local laws allow it. Such a city could never be built anywhere else in the US without some huge changes in legislation (not to mention local culture, since that drives the local legislation). >IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way Tokyo works because growth isn't limited: it's very easy to build here, unlike in the US. Tokyo builds hundreds of thousands of new housing units every single year, while the US struggles to build any. This is entirely because of regulations.
- astrange 3y ago
  Fun fact: the US and Italy have about the same number of elevators, because it costs us about ten times more to build one.
  - bagels 3y ago
    I've seen be some terrifying elevators in Italy.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  More about Tokyo new units here: https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/361409_dcd5637049764634986dd04f150452e0.html https://rstudio-pubs-static.s3.amazonaws.com/361409_dcd56370... Title = How Tokyo built its way to abundant housing TL;DR: Since 1995 (yes, during the lost decade) they are building ~150k new "dwellings" per year. Wow.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    How many are they tearing down to rebuild? Buildings only last ~20-30 years in Japan, so a lot of those are just replacing something that was torn down.
    - throwaway2037 3y ago
      > Buildings only last ~20-30 years in Japan This is a myth in central Tokyo.
astrange 3y ago
> Out of all those, only Tokyo does well, but that wasn't the case in the 80s and is on the basis of a moribund economy and a not growing national population (one wonders when Seoul and SH will follow). Japan's economy is growing again (Nikkei is now at the level it was in 1990) and Tokyo's population has always been growing. …but the rent isn't, because they allow infill development.
CPLX 3y ago
> IF you want to solve your housing emergency, limit growth in some way This makes about as much sense as fucking for virginity