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Pornhub wants proof of consent from every single performer on its platform

60 points by gslin 3y ago

samstave 3y ago
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- belter 3y ago
  "The beatings will continue until consent is provided that the beating was consensual"
  - samstave 3y ago
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    - 8oclock 3y ago
      I upvoted you, in the hopes that your post won't be killed off before you can answer. Do you not think this is a step in the right direction? If not, what do you feel should be done instead? To be clear I'm looking for actionable ideas, not pie-in-the-sky answers.
      - samstave 3y ago
        There is only one step in the right direction: 100% transperency. If AI is anything but transparent (meaning it can produce the same results for 100%) -- then, anyone employing Opaque AI cannot be trusted. Ground Rule Zero of AI.
freejazz 3y ago
Good for them
janalsncm 3y ago
Here is their announcement: https://www.pornhub.com/blog/co-performer-verification-updates https://www.pornhub.com/blog/co-performer-verification-updat...
nerdponx 3y ago
I'm not surprised. They're probably the most recognizable name in porn and undoubtedly under a lot of scrutiny. Now if only I could tell their algorithm to stop recommending step-sibling/parent fantasy porn... yuck.
- thegrim33 3y ago
  I'd love to see the meat behind those algorithms. Are the algorithms intentionally biased to prefer serving that type of content for some ideological reason? Or are we now just so far gone as a society that a significant number of users actually search for / consume that type of content, and the algorithm recommending it is actually natural/unbiased?
  - nerdponx 3y ago
    I wonder if there's a feedback loop in the viewer metrics. Most people are probably not interested in searching around for what they want, so they click on whatever is on the front page. So much porn is perfectly normal-looking based on the thumbnail/preview other than the creepy title, so maybe people just watch it anyway if it looks good, even if the plot premise is offputting. Then if you're just looking at the viewer metrics, it looks like the step sibling stuff is really popular. So the algorithm prioritizes it further, so people watch it more, etc. This is all speculation of course, but it's a cautionary tale about why statistical and causal reasoning is useful even if you're in industry, as long as you actually care about delivering a good data product.
    - tivert 3y ago
      > I wonder if there's a feedback loop in the viewer metrics. Most people are probably not interested in searching around for what they want, so they click on whatever is on the front page. I recall reading something years ago that said some porn site that started to do data-driven analytics and found that even though "step-sibling/parent fantasy" stuff wasn't generally popular, but it was particularly good at attracting paying subscribers. I kinda wonder if that effect was overstated, but all the porn sites started cargo-culting that finding as "conventional wisdom" and made the genre a thing. > So much porn is perfectly normal-looking based on the thumbnail/preview other than the creepy title, so maybe people just watch it anyway if it looks good, even if the plot premise is offputting. I think of lot of that particular genre isn't normal-looking, for instance by casting size differences to creepily create the impression of an illegal age difference: https://www.vice.com/en/article/aeygae/porns-latest-trend-is-scrawny-young-men-who-look-like-pre-teens https://www.vice.com/en/article/aeygae/porns-latest-trend-is...
standardUser 3y ago
All of the trends I see in the porn industry are moving in the right direction. Things like OnlyFans, Chaturbate, and the Pornhub shift to user-made content are resulting in more money and control for creators and, at least in my opinion, a much better marketplace for porn consumers. It's also gradually transforming/marginalizing the traditional porn industry, which is where a lot of the worst parts of the sex industry thrived. I think some people will lament the shrinking spaces where people can produce and consume porn anonymously. But porn is a gargantuan industry. It only seems like it exists on the margins because it's been forced to act that way. In reality, it needs to be regulated like any other major industry that occupies such a sensitive area. And I think there will always be space on the true margins for people who want their sex/porn outside of the mainstream.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > Things like OnlyFans, Chaturbate, and the Pornhub shift to user-made content are resulting in more money and control for creators How do you know that the person you see on the screen is getting the money, and someone else isn't controlling them and cashing in? As you say, it's a very unregulated industry; performers get negative consideration from 'mainstream' institutions, from banks to lawyers to courts to legislators and regulators.
  - cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
    This is what “moving in the right direction” is though.
  - standardUser 3y ago
    I know as a fact that what you are saying does happen. I also know as a fact that many creators and performers are not being controlled by anyone and are in complete control of their own decisions and finances. Like with everything, we have to use our own judgement. But it's undeniable that there are now many more routes for individuals to pursue sex work independently and that is a very good thing.
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4gotunameagain 3y ago
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- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  It’s hard to say this in a way that doesn’t come across as a personal attack, but calling doing porn “taking the easy way out” is purely the view of people that aren’t having as much sex as they’d like to be. Any other level-headed person can see the physical and emotional toll such a career would involve. As someone that almost certainly sits in an air-conditioned room prodding at a keyboard all day to build some software nobody really wants and getting paid too much to do it, you and anyone else on this website are the last people that should be giving people lectures about what “real work” is. It’s cringey. I’m not even going to bother addressing the notion that porn will be the downfall of society because this sort of faux-traditionalist elitism is going to be so engrained in you that…what’s the point? But maybe please take a look in the mirror and consider whether or not you’re really the person that should be telling others what “real work” is, and above all why that’s a thing that matters to you in the first place.
  - 4gotunameagain 3y ago
    Is it comparable to the physical and emotional toll a career of a surgeon would involve ? Or of an underwater welder ? Of a firefighter, teacher, chef ? Also I am impervious to your Ad hominems and feel no need or desire to defend myself from you, and I certainly do not feel the need to defend your childish "lack of sex" attack :)
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maxglute 3y ago
So are all the increasingly vintage vhs amateur porno whose provenance can't be tracked on their way out? Are there any porn preservation movements out there? Sometimes I wonder if there's a common porn clip that high % of world has seen growing up. The de_dust2 of porno. Arguably porn is more global mass culture than any franchise. And I guess it would be kind of a shame if all that is lost.
- mharig 3y ago
  Never heard of de_dust2. There is a short clip of a german porn movie that went viral (in Germany), keywords: 'Warum liegt denn da Stroh auf dem Boden?'
  - taskforcegemini 3y ago
    the sentence ends with "...Stroh rum" instead of "...Stroh auf dem Boden", which is an additional joke in austria because of a locally well known brand of rum: "Stroh Rum"
    - mharig 3y ago
      Now you forced me to search for the clip. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6foTWmryAvQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6foTWmryAvQ
frugalmail 3y ago
Sounds like an ethical thing to do. Now, whats the deal with recommending all the incest and trans stuff?
DANmode 3y ago
Finally, a community to embrace and possibly improve the UX for signing digital documents with public/private keypairs. /s(?)
i8comments 3y ago
This is great news. Finally some accountability from what is almost a de facto organization that feels as big as Youtube. Hopefully this will promote actual sex positivity.
sdfsdsfg 3y ago
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permanant 3y ago
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60 points by gslin 3y ago

samstave 3y ago

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belter 3y ago
"The beatings will continue until consent is provided that the beating was consensual"
- samstave 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - 8oclock 3y ago
    I upvoted you, in the hopes that your post won't be killed off before you can answer. Do you not think this is a step in the right direction? If not, what do you feel should be done instead? To be clear I'm looking for actionable ideas, not pie-in-the-sky answers.
    - samstave 3y ago
      There is only one step in the right direction: 100% transperency. If AI is anything but transparent (meaning it can produce the same results for 100%) -- then, anyone employing Opaque AI cannot be trusted. Ground Rule Zero of AI.

freejazz 3y ago

Good for them

janalsncm 3y ago

Here is their announcement: https://www.pornhub.com/blog/co-performer-verification-updates https://www.pornhub.com/blog/co-performer-verification-updat...

nerdponx 3y ago

I'm not surprised. They're probably the most recognizable name in porn and undoubtedly under a lot of scrutiny. Now if only I could tell their algorithm to stop recommending step-sibling/parent fantasy porn... yuck.

thegrim33 3y ago
I'd love to see the meat behind those algorithms. Are the algorithms intentionally biased to prefer serving that type of content for some ideological reason? Or are we now just so far gone as a society that a significant number of users actually search for / consume that type of content, and the algorithm recommending it is actually natural/unbiased?
- nerdponx 3y ago
  I wonder if there's a feedback loop in the viewer metrics. Most people are probably not interested in searching around for what they want, so they click on whatever is on the front page. So much porn is perfectly normal-looking based on the thumbnail/preview other than the creepy title, so maybe people just watch it anyway if it looks good, even if the plot premise is offputting. Then if you're just looking at the viewer metrics, it looks like the step sibling stuff is really popular. So the algorithm prioritizes it further, so people watch it more, etc. This is all speculation of course, but it's a cautionary tale about why statistical and causal reasoning is useful even if you're in industry, as long as you actually care about delivering a good data product.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > I wonder if there's a feedback loop in the viewer metrics. Most people are probably not interested in searching around for what they want, so they click on whatever is on the front page. I recall reading something years ago that said some porn site that started to do data-driven analytics and found that even though "step-sibling/parent fantasy" stuff wasn't generally popular, but it was particularly good at attracting paying subscribers. I kinda wonder if that effect was overstated, but all the porn sites started cargo-culting that finding as "conventional wisdom" and made the genre a thing. > So much porn is perfectly normal-looking based on the thumbnail/preview other than the creepy title, so maybe people just watch it anyway if it looks good, even if the plot premise is offputting. I think of lot of that particular genre isn't normal-looking, for instance by casting size differences to creepily create the impression of an illegal age difference: https://www.vice.com/en/article/aeygae/porns-latest-trend-is-scrawny-young-men-who-look-like-pre-teens https://www.vice.com/en/article/aeygae/porns-latest-trend-is...

standardUser 3y ago

All of the trends I see in the porn industry are moving in the right direction. Things like OnlyFans, Chaturbate, and the Pornhub shift to user-made content are resulting in more money and control for creators and, at least in my opinion, a much better marketplace for porn consumers. It's also gradually transforming/marginalizing the traditional porn industry, which is where a lot of the worst parts of the sex industry thrived. I think some people will lament the shrinking spaces where people can produce and consume porn anonymously. But porn is a gargantuan industry. It only seems like it exists on the margins because it's been forced to act that way. In reality, it needs to be regulated like any other major industry that occupies such a sensitive area. And I think there will always be space on the true margins for people who want their sex/porn outside of the mainstream.

wolverine876 3y ago
> Things like OnlyFans, Chaturbate, and the Pornhub shift to user-made content are resulting in more money and control for creators How do you know that the person you see on the screen is getting the money, and someone else isn't controlling them and cashing in? As you say, it's a very unregulated industry; performers get negative consideration from 'mainstream' institutions, from banks to lawyers to courts to legislators and regulators.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
  This is what “moving in the right direction” is though.
- standardUser 3y ago
  I know as a fact that what you are saying does happen. I also know as a fact that many creators and performers are not being controlled by anyone and are in complete control of their own decisions and finances. Like with everything, we have to use our own judgement. But it's undeniable that there are now many more routes for individuals to pursue sex work independently and that is a very good thing.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

4gotunameagain 3y ago

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cqqxo4zV46cp 3y ago
It’s hard to say this in a way that doesn’t come across as a personal attack, but calling doing porn “taking the easy way out” is purely the view of people that aren’t having as much sex as they’d like to be. Any other level-headed person can see the physical and emotional toll such a career would involve. As someone that almost certainly sits in an air-conditioned room prodding at a keyboard all day to build some software nobody really wants and getting paid too much to do it, you and anyone else on this website are the last people that should be giving people lectures about what “real work” is. It’s cringey. I’m not even going to bother addressing the notion that porn will be the downfall of society because this sort of faux-traditionalist elitism is going to be so engrained in you that…what’s the point? But maybe please take a look in the mirror and consider whether or not you’re really the person that should be telling others what “real work” is, and above all why that’s a thing that matters to you in the first place.
- 4gotunameagain 3y ago
  Is it comparable to the physical and emotional toll a career of a surgeon would involve ? Or of an underwater welder ? Of a firefighter, teacher, chef ? Also I am impervious to your Ad hominems and feel no need or desire to defend myself from you, and I certainly do not feel the need to defend your childish "lack of sex" attack :)
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maxglute 3y ago

So are all the increasingly vintage vhs amateur porno whose provenance can't be tracked on their way out? Are there any porn preservation movements out there? Sometimes I wonder if there's a common porn clip that high % of world has seen growing up. The de_dust2 of porno. Arguably porn is more global mass culture than any franchise. And I guess it would be kind of a shame if all that is lost.

mharig 3y ago
Never heard of de_dust2. There is a short clip of a german porn movie that went viral (in Germany), keywords: 'Warum liegt denn da Stroh auf dem Boden?'
- taskforcegemini 3y ago
  the sentence ends with "...Stroh rum" instead of "...Stroh auf dem Boden", which is an additional joke in austria because of a locally well known brand of rum: "Stroh Rum"
  - mharig 3y ago
    Now you forced me to search for the clip. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6foTWmryAvQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6foTWmryAvQ

frugalmail 3y ago

Sounds like an ethical thing to do. Now, whats the deal with recommending all the incest and trans stuff?

DANmode 3y ago

Finally, a community to embrace and possibly improve the UX for signing digital documents with public/private keypairs. /s(?)

i8comments 3y ago

This is great news. Finally some accountability from what is almost a de facto organization that feels as big as Youtube. Hopefully this will promote actual sex positivity.

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permanant 3y ago

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