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It is not the hardware actually. It is network reliability makes cloud better.
by system2 3y ago
It is not the hardware actually. It is network reliability makes cloud better.
- GiorgioG 3y agoColocation exists. It's a solved problem. It's just not in-vogue right now.
- reactordev 3y agoand for $400/mo you can put your $50 old machine in someone else's closest.
- GiorgioG 3y agoAnd with my $50 old machine I can host $5,000/month worth of "cloud" services.
- tiffanyh 3y agoHetzner & OVH gets you the best of both worlds. Unbelievable (new) specs, hosted and at prices points tough to beat doing it yourself. E.g. Hetzner AMD RYZEN™ 9 7950X3D (current gen Zen 4) 16 physical cores (4.2 GHz) 128GB DDR5 ECC ram 4TB NVMe completely hosted For only ~$100/mo https://www.hetzner.com/news/new-amd-ryzen-7950-server https://www.hetzner.com/news/new-amd-ryzen-7950-server
- jmaker 3y agoBoth are quite happy to terminate users’ accounts, but on paper it’s really compelling indeed.
- tiffanyh 3y agoHave you seem them terminate unreasonable situations? They normally are trying to keep their IPs and Network clean of scammers abusing their resources, which inevitably hurt all customers.
- ayi 3y agoMy 2024 goal was creating a website for me and hosting a copy of my newsletter there. I heard a lot of good things about Hetzner and choose them. Just right after signing up, even after I put a credit card with 3DS they immediately banned me. I wrote to support, they forwarded me to page. I uploaded my passport with my face. But my account is still banned. And worst thing is I’m 1 month late for my 2024 goal.
- tiffanyh 3y ago> I wrote to support, they forwarded me to page. I uploaded my passport with my face. But my account is still banned. Is there still more needed to complete their KYC process?
- lstamour 3y agoTry racknerd… they have various Black Friday/new year specials that rarely/never expire and the price can be as low as $25/year for a decent 2-cpu VPS. Not the same hardware as OVH, storage often limited, but still an interesting price point and service. Biggest limitations: no 2FA on the control panel and mounting an ISO requires talking to customer service… oh and no automated backups but they might have recently added snapshots.
- lstamour 3y agoI should add - keep your own backups. I can’t trust that a service this cheap will not lose my data somehow. It hasn’t yet, but with margins this thin I wonder if they’ll ever go out of business on me.
- mikeravkine 3y agoHetzner can and will terminate your account and delete all your data on a whim, never telling you why. There is nothing at all you can do to prove your usage was legitimate. I get that they must deal with a lot of abuse but I wouldn't use them for anything mission critical ever.
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- frankjr 3y ago> We’ve mounted the AX102 with 128 GB of DDR5 ECC RAM. In addition to the classic ECC (error correction code), which protects data both on the memory module and during transfer, the new DDR5 memory generation uses the on-die ECC method. This method carries out independent error correction directly on the DRAM chip, giving you greatly optimized reliability and data integrity. Isn't on-die ECC necessary just because DDR5 is less reliable than previous generations, especially at higher frequencies and density? Makes me wonder whether they use an actual ECC DDR5 memory.
- freetanga 3y agoHave you used them? Horror stories on their billing / admin side (ie unilaterally closing your account and being unreachable) abound… Yet many other folks praise them… What’s your experience?
- jmaker 3y agoWith comparable reliability, resilience, durability, and latency? I doubt scalability up or out is reasonable to ask, correct me if I’m underestimating its potential.
- datadrivenangel 3y agoIf we need to scale up, we drive to the nearby computer store, give them several thousand dollars for a bigger box, go home and install it!
- GGO 3y agoI have 14core/128GB RAM, 2x900GB nvme + 60TB spinning rust with 33TB traffic in someone else's closet and paying only $60 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Prices vary a lot when it comes to colocation
- jmaker 3y agoThat 60 for collocation only, right? How are you amortizing the machine if that’s the case? What SLAs with the closet owner?
- GGO 3y agoyeap - 60 for collocation only. 99.9% uptime SLA (power/network). I've had 5-minute blips 3 times in last 12 months. The hardware itself is bought used $400 for the whole server (not including HDD). HDD was around $400 too. so last 2 years: (24 * 60 + 800)/24 = ~$94/month and going down every month
- jmaker 3y agoThat’s totally efficient, awesome, thanks for sharing.
- reactordev 3y agoYup, I did this (not for $60!!) almost a decade ago with 4 savemyserver HP 1U’s and a switch. Each server cost me about $200 without HDD. Another $200 in ECC memory. I used it for a long time until colocation costs went up because they were bought by L3Harris. I run a couple ryzen mini PCs on Verizon fios 1Gbps at home now for my hosting needs but I would jump at $60 colo in a heartbeat if I got even 100mb connection unmetered.
- pritambarhate 3y agoIt would be great if you could tell us the name of the colocation provider. I would really like to explore it.
- FpUser 3y agoI am renting 16 core AMD with 128GB RAM and 2x2TB SSD for less then $100/month in Canadian pesos on Hetzner. I also pay for 1Gbps symmetric fiber with dedicated IP going into my house ($140/month at the moment) so I also host some stuff right from my own place.
- schmookeeg 3y agoThis is a bit exaggerated. I've had a 1U or 2U server box colo'ed for the last 20+ years, and it's been consistently in the $80-$100 range. Double my total costs if you add that I'm replacing a $5K server box every 5-7 years or so. The duct-tape-maintenance vs your-time criticisms are 100% dead-on though.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoI colo an internet search engine for $100/mo. That's power + network + rackspace.
- jmaker 3y agoDepends on the industry I think
- imglorp 3y agoNot just that, it's also all the legwork of managed hosting: all that OS configuration, patching, redundancy, testing, monitoring etc etc is someone else's job, and they are accountable. Plus other managed services like LB, DB, auth, etc etc. you might not want to duct tape yourself and manage every day. That cloud bill could be cheaper than your time is worth. Plus flexibility of scale up / scale down as needed for load, transient testing, etc. Cloud is definitely not for everyone but it makes sense for some.
- rapind 3y ago> that OS configuration, patching, redundancy, testing, monitoring etc. For larger projects I guess, but I have a few VPSes that have been running sites for a decade or more that require almost no maintenance (occasional apt-get upgrade). In fact it’s the frameworks / languages these projects were built in that cause most of the work (for which deployment target makes no difference).
- jmaker 3y agoWith IaC it’s become feasible. You kinda iteratively build it up. With something more predictable like Nix it really gets close to shops run by a single person. And on e you start to get managed infrastructure, next question that pops up would often be which services do you want to delegate, and some folks wind up in serverless land—locked in after a while, which might be totally fine.
- wharvle 3y agoI've seen real-world connectivity, latency, and bandwidth problems crop up with enough frequency to be a real problem on a major budget "cloud" provider. It looked liked they'd badly cheaped out on their peering agreements. Move the exact same workload to the industry's default but much more expensive choice, and the problems vanish entirely. This is, unfortunately, one of those things that's really hard to judge about a hosting provider unless you have direct experience using them "at scale", as they say. Nobody puts that stuff on a sales page spec sheet or comparison grid. Could I save money by hosting on real hardware at some popular, cheapish server-leasing place? Or colocating at one? Or hosting out of my own basement!? Maybe. Would it cause some users to consistently see dial-up speeds and dropped connections on gigabit Internet service because of either some quirk of routing, or bad peering agreements? Who knows!
- jmaker 3y agoI’ve observed those issues on the industry default CSPs. Terrible latencies for some services. Some of those budget CSPs simply resell AWS and Azure and GCP and OCP, while others run on commodity VPS infrastructure. And honestly there’s still too much ops work running workloads not on-premise, wasted time even though totally entertaining sometimes.