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> PaaS is always going to offer less for the same price, but what surprised me was how start the difference can be. On Render.com, a 4GB RAM and 2vCPU service c
by zelon88 3y ago
> PaaS is always going to offer less for the same price, but what surprised me was how start the difference can be. On Render.com, a 4GB RAM and 2vCPU service costs $85/mo. The same spec costs $14/mo on Scaleway (ARM).
I notice a trend that the people who scoff at hardware specs are usually the same ones standing in line for 2 cores and 4gb of RAM for $50+/month. They'll laugh when you suggest utilizing an obsolete $50 computer with a decade old CPU (that's just sitting in a closet), but more than willing to spend $50/month on similar performing hardware from a Cloud vendor.
- anotherhue 3y agoCue the downvotes but I imagine you could sort those people into two buckets: 1. Those who love their Macs a little too much 2. Those who routinely build a PC. i.e. Are you familiar with the hardware market.
- rapind 3y ago3. Those who build their own hackintosh because they love OSX too much.
- jamil7 3y agoI think people know they’re paying a premium on hardware. The point of PaaS isn’t to get the best deal on specs it’s for small teams to iterate quickly and focus on product. If they’re successful they’ll outgrow it and hire people to manage infra.
- zelon88 3y agoI'm not gonna downvote you. But to your point about the hardware market, a mid range server CPU of today will be about as fast as an entry model CPU next year. Actual performance wise, your old server can probably keep up with a newer but slightly lower end server just fine. Obsolete !== useless. I'm the kind of person who would rather take the 3y server and recomission it as a lower priority service than just do a 1:1 replacement. "Old" computers aren't as useless as they used to be. Computing power has advanced to the point where computation is arbitrary. For all intents, in most sectors, you can scale your compute capacity as high as your budget allows and you won't hit any performance barriers ever. There will always be more compute. It is a commodity now. My stance is this; sure the new server is faster than the old one, but you know what's even faster? Dividing the existing workload between both of them.
- moondev 3y ago> a mid range server CPU of today will be about as fast as an entry model CPU next year What about the core count and memory capacity
- anotherhue 3y agohttps://www.amazon.com/Dell-PowerEdge-R630-Rackmount-Warranty/dp/B07PR12CTL/ https://www.amazon.com/Dell-PowerEdge-R630-Rackmount-Warrant...
- foofie 3y ago> sure the new server is faster than the old one, but you know what's even faster? Dividing the existing workload between both of them. How do you factor reliability into your analysis? I mean, the reason companies ditch their 3yo server is that their service life is nearing it's end, and odds are they will fail in the upcoming year or so. Meanwhile, increased compute capacity means companies can use a single brand new server to replace multiple old ones, not to mention cheaper operational costs.
- system2 3y agoIt is not the hardware actually. It is network reliability makes cloud better.
- GiorgioG 3y agoColocation exists. It's a solved problem. It's just not in-vogue right now.
- reactordev 3y agoand for $400/mo you can put your $50 old machine in someone else's closest.
- GiorgioG 3y agoAnd with my $50 old machine I can host $5,000/month worth of "cloud" services.
- tiffanyh 3y agoHetzner & OVH gets you the best of both worlds. Unbelievable (new) specs, hosted and at prices points tough to beat doing it yourself. E.g. Hetzner AMD RYZEN™ 9 7950X3D (current gen Zen 4) 16 physical cores (4.2 GHz) 128GB DDR5 ECC ram 4TB NVMe completely hosted For only ~$100/mo https://www.hetzner.com/news/new-amd-ryzen-7950-server https://www.hetzner.com/news/new-amd-ryzen-7950-server
- jmaker 3y agoBoth are quite happy to terminate users’ accounts, but on paper it’s really compelling indeed.
- tiffanyh 3y agoHave you seem them terminate unreasonable situations? They normally are trying to keep their IPs and Network clean of scammers abusing their resources, which inevitably hurt all customers.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 3y agoBut isn't it more than just the vendor's hardware that one is paying for. Namely, the vendor's internet connection. Apologies if I am missing something obvious.
- _w1tm 3y agoAnd for network redundancy / UPS / datacenter security / etc. Comparing a PaaS to some old PC running in a closet is completely missing the point. If the thought of your service going down for a few hours because some random unplugged the power cable or your ADSL router crashed doesn’t make the CFO lose sleep then some raspberry pi is surely good enough. Just make sure you run it inside a safe if you store personal information.