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> 1. Internet connectivity. If the car is connected, it's tracking me. Just because you can't connect to the Internet from your car doesn't mean that the car i
by BerislavLopac 3y ago
> 1. Internet connectivity. If the car is connected, it's tracking me.
Just because you can't connect to the Internet from your car doesn't mean that the car is not being tracked. Pretty much all cars built since 2016 or so have built-in infrastructure to collect various telemetry and send it to the manufacturer; prior to that there were dongles that were installed by various parties (automotive clubs, insurance companies, fleet owners...).
Most manufacturers also offer (or are working on offering) that data to third parties, although in most jurisdictions it requires the vehicle driver/owner to explicitly agree to it. In any case this whole area is still in its infancy, and we can expect to see more standardisation and wide use of that data in the coming years.
Source: worked in that industry until recently.
- 2rsf 3y agoI know about collecting data, but sending? how?
- BerislavLopac 3y agoThere is essentially a mobile "modem" built in.
- r00fus 3y agoIdea: buy a car with an outdated (3G) modem and simply don't replace it.
- BerislavLopac 3y agoI don't think that really exists -- the cars either don't have the connectivity, or it's relatively modern (4G+). For the older cars we had to use dongles, which in some cases were even 2G.
- Klonoar 3y agoAre you sure? I believe there was a big recall for at least one model of car during COVID due to the chip shortage + impending 3G shutdown.
- BerislavLopac 3y agoI'm not sure, hence the "I think". :)
- bsenftner 3y agoBingo: pre-2016 cars. Get a pre-Internet, pre-subscription Subaru; Foresters and Outbacks are both known to last 300K miles. Great in snow. Great resale too, far better than an EV.
- quickthrowman 3y agoOne note on Subaru, you might be putting a quart of oil in every 1,000 miles after 100,000 miles. Certain models burn ungodly amounts of oil. I don’t drive Subarus now due to the above, I switched to Toyota.
- bsenftner 3y agoThe 2014 models are the last year Subaru had oil leakage issues. Looks like the 2015-'16 models are the sweet spot, as '17 is when they went with the rest of the industry and added Internet, app capability and all that nonsense.
- quickthrowman 3y agoAh, that makes sense. The Foresters I owned were 2002 and 2010. Everything else about those cars was great, glad they got the oil burning issue fixed. Thanks for clarifying!
- alphabettsy 3y agoThe internet stuff doesn’t work anymore on those afaik. It’s based on 3G cellular which doesn’t exist anymore.
- Kon-Peki 3y agoIf you’re going to do that, you might as well limit yourself to the 3.6R - it includes the “heavy duty” version of the transmission.