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The type of nepotism that you were hoping to get you in isn't actually a good thing. A distributed system of interviewers and decision makers is more consistent

by pb7 3y ago

The type of nepotism that you were hoping to get you in isn't actually a good thing. A distributed system of interviewers and decision makers is more consistent and less biased. It's one of the reasons why people are able to switch teams quickly and easily -- everyone is held to the same standard and can be relied on. This is a good thing. Sucks that you didn't get in though.

depr 3y ago
Doesn't that system of interviewers just bring different biases? Even if they use a standardized scoring method or something, the bias would be built into that. And everyone would indeed be held to the same, biased, standard.
- tetromino_ 3y ago
  A single interviewer is likely to be strongly biased. But the bias of a pool of thousands of people is much smaller - the individual biases partially cancel out. In addition, the process adds some steps to keep a single person's irrational biases from propagating: formal rubrics, rating broken down into components each of which requires written justification, and the group of people making the decision to hire or not hire are explicitly ones who never see or hear the candidate and are deciding based on interviewers' written reports.
  - mlrtime 3y ago
    >But the bias of a pool Maybe? What if the pool is being influenced with whatever is trendy at the time? I would take my bias of working with a former colleague for years over what the current societal pressures are enforcing. Some may call it nepotism, I'd call it risk management.
    - swozey 3y ago
      Me and 3 other Principal/Staff levels have now worked at 3 companies in a row together over the last 12-15 years. One of us will move elsewhere and slowly bring on the rest of us as we leave if we hear great things about the place. If not we go elsewhere. We actually have a group chat of about 8 people we've all worked at various places together and love to bring others on board because we know their style and that we can work well with them. They are amazing engineers and we've all grown together over the last decade and we know what each of us is great and at where they'd be fantastic in a company. They're SWEs and I'm an SRE so we actually aren't on the same team or anything but they know they can bring me on as a Staff/Princ SRE and we'll get things done well cross-team far beyond what most companies of disparate eng/teams gets done. These are people super passionate about the technology. We give presentations/talks on various projects, etc. I know their skills are up to date and growing constantly. Finding someone passionate is difficult. Maybe not at google but in normal-not-faang world it is.
      - refulgentis 3y ago
        Bizarrely, harder at FAANG: so many people just graduated from a T30 uni or master's program in STEM and are kinda see it as "caring too much"/ it looks like you're obsessing about work
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      Lmao. Racist
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by pb7 3y ago

depr 3y ago

Doesn't that system of interviewers just bring different biases? Even if they use a standardized scoring method or something, the bias would be built into that. And everyone would indeed be held to the same, biased, standard.

tetromino_ 3y ago
A single interviewer is likely to be strongly biased. But the bias of a pool of thousands of people is much smaller - the individual biases partially cancel out. In addition, the process adds some steps to keep a single person's irrational biases from propagating: formal rubrics, rating broken down into components each of which requires written justification, and the group of people making the decision to hire or not hire are explicitly ones who never see or hear the candidate and are deciding based on interviewers' written reports.
- mlrtime 3y ago
  >But the bias of a pool Maybe? What if the pool is being influenced with whatever is trendy at the time? I would take my bias of working with a former colleague for years over what the current societal pressures are enforcing. Some may call it nepotism, I'd call it risk management.
  - swozey 3y ago
    Me and 3 other Principal/Staff levels have now worked at 3 companies in a row together over the last 12-15 years. One of us will move elsewhere and slowly bring on the rest of us as we leave if we hear great things about the place. If not we go elsewhere. We actually have a group chat of about 8 people we've all worked at various places together and love to bring others on board because we know their style and that we can work well with them. They are amazing engineers and we've all grown together over the last decade and we know what each of us is great and at where they'd be fantastic in a company. They're SWEs and I'm an SRE so we actually aren't on the same team or anything but they know they can bring me on as a Staff/Princ SRE and we'll get things done well cross-team far beyond what most companies of disparate eng/teams gets done. These are people super passionate about the technology. We give presentations/talks on various projects, etc. I know their skills are up to date and growing constantly. Finding someone passionate is difficult. Maybe not at google but in normal-not-faang world it is.
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      Bizarrely, harder at FAANG: so many people just graduated from a T30 uni or master's program in STEM and are kinda see it as "caring too much"/ it looks like you're obsessing about work
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    Lmao. Racist

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