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I'm a truck guy, I like pickups but this abomination reminds me the Pontiac Aztek. I don't expect this truck to be very popular with the people who use trucks f

I'm a truck guy, I like pickups but this abomination reminds me the Pontiac Aztek. I don't expect this truck to be very popular with the people who use trucks for a living. Is there enough Tesla bros, Soccer Mom's who drive lifted jeeps, the odd 50 year old male who is going through some kind of midlife crisis, etc, to make this a success, I doubt it. I predict I will never see 5 guys with lunch boxes and hard hats get out of one, but perhaps that is not the market.

Casteil 3y ago
>I predict I will never see 5 guys with lunch boxes and hard hats get out of one I'm sure you will around Boca Chica, but they probably won't have much of a choice either. That said, it could be a pretty good 'proving ground' if they use them to run 120/240V equipment onsite.
- doubleg72 3y ago
  I got a hybrid Ff150 with built in 7500watt generator for exactly that purpose. It’s looks nice, runs awesome, and is the ideal truck. I wish Ford would put a bigger battery in it and prioritize it over the Lightning.
  - Casteil 3y ago
    All I want is a pretty basic 'Hilux style' plug-in hybrid AWD truck that can do 50-80 miles on battery-only and tow ~7k. A truck that isn't UNNECESSARILY HUGE, nor loaded with tons of unnecessary 'features' to try to justify an $80k price tag. I really wish someone would make this happen.
geepytee 3y ago
As a 20 something y/o, jealous of the 50 y/o's going thru a midlife crisis who can afford this!
- spacedcowboy 3y ago
  As a 50-odd year old, I wouldn’t be seen dead in one…
MBCook 3y ago
I just can’t see anybody who would want something that looks like that except some Tesla faithful and a small number of others.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  I’m no Tesla fan, but I think it looks bad ass. Especially the customized ones
  - galangalalgol 3y ago
    I second that. I think it is beautiful. It has lots of problems, but its looks have more than a niche appeal. They are very polarizing though.
ajross 3y ago
> I don't expect this truck to be very popular with the people who use trucks for a living "People who use trucks for a living" are a vanishingly small part of the market for trucks, though. And the trucks they buy are the low-margin vehicles, for the most part. Does the actual market want the Cybertruck? Damned if I know either. But the people to ask are precisely the socker moms and mid-life insecure tech nerds you're making fun of.
- davkan 3y ago
  In almost every practical utility aspect a traditional truck outperforms a cybertruck, towing anything heavy, driving anywhere remote, etc. So you’ve lost everyone who owns a camper. For people who don’t need the power or durability of a full size truck, the Maverick is significantly more economical as an around town truck to throw your mountain bike in the back of. Which largely leaves us with people who currently buy for vanity or similar reasons. And I don’t see how the cybertruck is going to find significant market share in a group of people love V8 engines, lift kits, and rolling coal. And it’s not gonna work its way into the generations old argument of which truck is better Ford or Chevy. The answer is Ford btw, or if you wanna cheat, Toyota.
  - ajross 3y ago
    The Maverick has about 1/3 the engine/motor power and towing capacity of the cybertruck. I mean, it's a successful vehicle, and much more affordable. And there are very legitimate concerns with EV range when towing. But a lot of your intuition about "power", "durability", "towing anything heavy", etc... seem pretty misinformed. On paper the Cybertruck is a monster. It may fail for other reasons, but certainly not checkbox capabilities.
    - davkan 3y ago
      I specifically wrote that the Maverick is a more practical and economical solution than the cybertruck when you’re not in the group of people that needs power/durability. I don’t have any opinion on whether the cybertruck is durable, I assume it’s fine. I also agree that the Maverick doesn’t have much overlap with the cybertruck but, it is a popular part of the truck market and outperforms the cybertruck on range and economics. As for power the cybertruck pulls 11k pounds which puts it at similar towing capacity as an f150. Some f150 engine options come in above, some below. The smallest engine f250 nearly doubles it. The cybertruck only competes in the 1/2 ton range. Everyone who buys 3/4 ton up will be losing significant capability. The range when towing is the biggest problem as you said. It’s just pitiful. Just the other day there was a report of a cybertruck getting 160 mile range with another 6000lb tesla on a trailer. My 2011 f150 that i bought for $15k in 2015 would more than double that range. What do you suppose the range is on a 8000lb box trailer? What about when you’re headed up I-70 with 2000lb trailer? Half the trucks out there that people complain about driving around town empty have a snowmobile trailer or a boat or a camper at home. People take those recreational items an hour or two out of town on a regular basis, typically in directions that won’t have a charger. I aware I’m an outlier but the closest superchargers to me are 90 miles away. Around here more than half the vehicles you see are trucks and a cybertruck is just not a feasible option. I see a couple rivians around town but they’re vanity purchases, used in a capacity that could be served, by a maverick or a subaru. Which is fine. You can buy something that you think is cool. But thats the market. People thinking it’s cool. People who want their truck to do more than take the boat down to the marina 30 miles away twice a year are likely going to look elsewhere. Really though, the only thing the cybertruck needs to do to be “successful” is to be profitable. If people buy it then it doesn’t really matter what it can or can’t do. I’ve seen number’s thrown around like 200k sales per year for breakeven etc. I don’t know the validity of any of those types of esitmates but it’s hard to imagine tesla constantly selling 30% as many cybertrucks in a year as ford does f150s. But more power to them if it does.
bostonsre 3y ago
Maybe there is a market for people who get shot at or with those that are paranoid about that? I know the windows aren't bullet proof, but the panels stop smaller calibers. If it is performance enough, maybe they could be used by police? The default panels on their cars don't offer protection.

Casteil 3y ago

>I predict I will never see 5 guys with lunch boxes and hard hats get out of one I'm sure you will around Boca Chica, but they probably won't have much of a choice either. That said, it could be a pretty good 'proving ground' if they use them to run 120/240V equipment onsite.

doubleg72 3y ago
I got a hybrid Ff150 with built in 7500watt generator for exactly that purpose. It’s looks nice, runs awesome, and is the ideal truck. I wish Ford would put a bigger battery in it and prioritize it over the Lightning.
- Casteil 3y ago
  All I want is a pretty basic 'Hilux style' plug-in hybrid AWD truck that can do 50-80 miles on battery-only and tow ~7k. A truck that isn't UNNECESSARILY HUGE, nor loaded with tons of unnecessary 'features' to try to justify an $80k price tag. I really wish someone would make this happen.

geepytee 3y ago

As a 20 something y/o, jealous of the 50 y/o's going thru a midlife crisis who can afford this!

spacedcowboy 3y ago
As a 50-odd year old, I wouldn’t be seen dead in one…

MBCook 3y ago

I just can’t see anybody who would want something that looks like that except some Tesla faithful and a small number of others.

jbverschoor 3y ago
I’m no Tesla fan, but I think it looks bad ass. Especially the customized ones
- galangalalgol 3y ago
  I second that. I think it is beautiful. It has lots of problems, but its looks have more than a niche appeal. They are very polarizing though.

ajross 3y ago

> I don't expect this truck to be very popular with the people who use trucks for a living "People who use trucks for a living" are a vanishingly small part of the market for trucks, though. And the trucks they buy are the low-margin vehicles, for the most part. Does the actual market want the Cybertruck? Damned if I know either. But the people to ask are precisely the socker moms and mid-life insecure tech nerds you're making fun of.

davkan 3y ago
In almost every practical utility aspect a traditional truck outperforms a cybertruck, towing anything heavy, driving anywhere remote, etc. So you’ve lost everyone who owns a camper. For people who don’t need the power or durability of a full size truck, the Maverick is significantly more economical as an around town truck to throw your mountain bike in the back of. Which largely leaves us with people who currently buy for vanity or similar reasons. And I don’t see how the cybertruck is going to find significant market share in a group of people love V8 engines, lift kits, and rolling coal. And it’s not gonna work its way into the generations old argument of which truck is better Ford or Chevy. The answer is Ford btw, or if you wanna cheat, Toyota.
- ajross 3y ago
  The Maverick has about 1/3 the engine/motor power and towing capacity of the cybertruck. I mean, it's a successful vehicle, and much more affordable. And there are very legitimate concerns with EV range when towing. But a lot of your intuition about "power", "durability", "towing anything heavy", etc... seem pretty misinformed. On paper the Cybertruck is a monster. It may fail for other reasons, but certainly not checkbox capabilities.
  - davkan 3y ago
    I specifically wrote that the Maverick is a more practical and economical solution than the cybertruck when you’re not in the group of people that needs power/durability. I don’t have any opinion on whether the cybertruck is durable, I assume it’s fine. I also agree that the Maverick doesn’t have much overlap with the cybertruck but, it is a popular part of the truck market and outperforms the cybertruck on range and economics. As for power the cybertruck pulls 11k pounds which puts it at similar towing capacity as an f150. Some f150 engine options come in above, some below. The smallest engine f250 nearly doubles it. The cybertruck only competes in the 1/2 ton range. Everyone who buys 3/4 ton up will be losing significant capability. The range when towing is the biggest problem as you said. It’s just pitiful. Just the other day there was a report of a cybertruck getting 160 mile range with another 6000lb tesla on a trailer. My 2011 f150 that i bought for $15k in 2015 would more than double that range. What do you suppose the range is on a 8000lb box trailer? What about when you’re headed up I-70 with 2000lb trailer? Half the trucks out there that people complain about driving around town empty have a snowmobile trailer or a boat or a camper at home. People take those recreational items an hour or two out of town on a regular basis, typically in directions that won’t have a charger. I aware I’m an outlier but the closest superchargers to me are 90 miles away. Around here more than half the vehicles you see are trucks and a cybertruck is just not a feasible option. I see a couple rivians around town but they’re vanity purchases, used in a capacity that could be served, by a maverick or a subaru. Which is fine. You can buy something that you think is cool. But thats the market. People thinking it’s cool. People who want their truck to do more than take the boat down to the marina 30 miles away twice a year are likely going to look elsewhere. Really though, the only thing the cybertruck needs to do to be “successful” is to be profitable. If people buy it then it doesn’t really matter what it can or can’t do. I’ve seen number’s thrown around like 200k sales per year for breakeven etc. I don’t know the validity of any of those types of esitmates but it’s hard to imagine tesla constantly selling 30% as many cybertrucks in a year as ford does f150s. But more power to them if it does.

bostonsre 3y ago

Maybe there is a market for people who get shot at or with those that are paranoid about that? I know the windows aren't bullet proof, but the panels stop smaller calibers. If it is performance enough, maybe they could be used by police? The default panels on their cars don't offer protection.