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So holding people accountable is "mean and bullying"? The article points out the hypocrisy of Ackerman discrediting people for plagiarism while defending his se

So holding people accountable is "mean and bullying"? The article points out the hypocrisy of Ackerman discrediting people for plagiarism while defending his serial plagiarist wife Neri Oxman: > Neri Oxman, a former MIT professor and celebrity within the world of academia, stole sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia, other scholars, and technical documents in her academic writing, Business Insider has found. She certainly sounds like a "public figure", certainly public enough to be held accountable for the crap she and her husband are pulling. Kudos to Business Insider for this excellent reporting: https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipe...

zeroCalories 3y ago
In the grand scheme of things, she's a nobody. Story of her plagiarisms wouldn't be listed anywhere in normal circumstances. This is purely spite driven move to hurt Ackerman by proxy by publicly humiliating her.
- computerex 3y ago
  You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Ackerman's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Ackerman I believe targeted college students. His wife is fair game.
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Academia's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Academia I believe targeted college students. They are all fair game. Or... I don't support Ackerman targeting students. See? It's that easy to not be partisan.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      I guess it's harder to spell people's names correctly.
AlbertCory 3y ago
"accountable" for what? is the twitter mob going after every professor? Or just the ones whose spouses they don't like?
- dekhn 3y ago
  Ackman said he plans to use the data he collected by going after every MIT professor to expand it to the larger academic population. So, he's already planning this.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    Missing from all the attack-dog defenses is: what did Oxman ever do to help fire Claudine Gay? If the answer is "Nothing, but..." then you are just going after her because you hate Ackman. That's all. Anything else you say about "accountable" is just window-dressing for a revenge hit. If you don't like Ackman, be adult enough to stick to attacking him.
    - dekhn 3y ago
      I want every professor everywhere who has plagiarized at their level to have their plagiarism exposed. Personally I liked Neri- she has done some incredible work. So I think you actually have completely the wrong impression of what my intent is.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        > what my intent is. so your intent is to have every professor exposed, but only if we start with the ones you don't like?
        dekhn 3y ago
        I don't care what order it is done in. Ideally, it would be done all at once- for each professor in the US who wrote a technical thesis, identify all sections which can reliably be considered plagiarism (direct copying without attribution, for example) and publish a national report. That would then expose the base rate of plagiarism, which I believe is extremely high (I could not say, for certain, whether I did it in my thesis, although I worked extremely hard to follow every academic rule associated with technical writing, and would be surprised if there was any text, other than from the papers I had already published, that was directly copied). Once the base rate had been exposed and people kind of see just how much of this occurred, we can start to have the discussion of "what are the consequences"? The consequences to Neri are just reputational- she already left her professor role and it's unlikely she needs her reputation to continue to be wealthy/successful/attend the hot parties.

zeroCalories 3y ago

In the grand scheme of things, she's a nobody. Story of her plagiarisms wouldn't be listed anywhere in normal circumstances. This is purely spite driven move to hurt Ackerman by proxy by publicly humiliating her.

computerex 3y ago
You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Ackerman's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Ackerman I believe targeted college students. His wife is fair game.
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Academia's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Academia I believe targeted college students. They are all fair game. Or... I don't support Ackerman targeting students. See? It's that easy to not be partisan.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    I guess it's harder to spell people's names correctly.

AlbertCory 3y ago

"accountable" for what? is the twitter mob going after every professor? Or just the ones whose spouses they don't like?

dekhn 3y ago
Ackman said he plans to use the data he collected by going after every MIT professor to expand it to the larger academic population. So, he's already planning this.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Missing from all the attack-dog defenses is: what did Oxman ever do to help fire Claudine Gay? If the answer is "Nothing, but..." then you are just going after her because you hate Ackman. That's all. Anything else you say about "accountable" is just window-dressing for a revenge hit. If you don't like Ackman, be adult enough to stick to attacking him.
  - dekhn 3y ago
    I want every professor everywhere who has plagiarized at their level to have their plagiarism exposed. Personally I liked Neri- she has done some incredible work. So I think you actually have completely the wrong impression of what my intent is.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      > what my intent is. so your intent is to have every professor exposed, but only if we start with the ones you don't like?
      - dekhn 3y ago
        I don't care what order it is done in. Ideally, it would be done all at once- for each professor in the US who wrote a technical thesis, identify all sections which can reliably be considered plagiarism (direct copying without attribution, for example) and publish a national report. That would then expose the base rate of plagiarism, which I believe is extremely high (I could not say, for certain, whether I did it in my thesis, although I worked extremely hard to follow every academic rule associated with technical writing, and would be surprised if there was any text, other than from the papers I had already published, that was directly copied). Once the base rate had been exposed and people kind of see just how much of this occurred, we can start to have the discussion of "what are the consequences"? The consequences to Neri are just reputational- she already left her professor role and it's unlikely she needs her reputation to continue to be wealthy/successful/attend the hot parties.