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I don't know anything about Neri Oxman, but she didn't suddenly become a public figure by virtue of what Ackman did. "Holding her accountable" (to use their dis

I don't know anything about Neri Oxman, but she didn't suddenly become a public figure by virtue of what Ackman did. "Holding her accountable" (to use their dishonest words) is itself mean and bullying.

jquery 3y ago
Her Wikipedia page is pretty long, she was a public figure long before this controversy, even ignoring the fact that simply being a billionaire invites public scrutiny.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Nonetheless, no one was calling out her plagiarism before they got their knickers in a twist over Claudine Gay. Pure meanness and revenge. Are they going to shadow his kids at school, too?
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    It’s simple cause and effect. Not sure why it’s so hard for you to grasp.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      I grasp it perfectly. It's you who can't grasp bullying: "Oppose us, and we'll ruin you. And your family."
      - dekhn 3y ago
        I just want to check: you are reading Ackman's tweets, right?
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        I just want to check: what point are you attempting to make?
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        That Ackerman was the one who started with “oppose us and we’ll destroy you” by trying to doxx pro Palestinian protestors and going on a crusade to discredit universities. Turnabout is fair play.
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        It isn't "turnabout", it's "infantile striking out at everybody within sight." As for the "pro Palestinian protestors", they signed their names, did they not? Did they expect all would be forgiven when they try to get jobs?
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        It literally is exactly that. They are using the same tactics on him that he used on them. Sorry if you don’t like that, but that’s the reality.
        dekhn 3y ago
        OK, so my criticism of Ackman is actually "infantile striking out at everybody within sight". He made a series of escalating tweets that were truly baby-like, attacking BI, and saying he was gonna tell their daddy (Mathias Dopfner, CEO of Axel Springer, which owns BI) and when BI concluded they had done nothing wrong (the article was not motivated, and was based in fact) he just escalated further (threatening a lawsuit). I have some sympathy for Ackman, but the methods by which he is achieving his goals undermine his own arguments.
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        .. and you've still shown zero connection between his wife and Gay. Just one guy you don't like.
aredox 3y ago
Excuse me, but maybe read the article (and the links to several articles published on Neri Oxman). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/style/neri-oxman-mit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/style/neri-oxman-mit.html https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-year-of-neri-oxman-is-pretty-much-upon-us https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-year-of-neri-o...
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Excuse me, but I did read the articles. What was I supposed to see? That she was already a public figure? So what? What I did not see was any connection to the Claudine Gay affair. So there is none, correct?
computerex 3y ago
So holding people accountable is "mean and bullying"? The article points out the hypocrisy of Ackerman discrediting people for plagiarism while defending his serial plagiarist wife Neri Oxman: > Neri Oxman, a former MIT professor and celebrity within the world of academia, stole sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia, other scholars, and technical documents in her academic writing, Business Insider has found. She certainly sounds like a "public figure", certainly public enough to be held accountable for the crap she and her husband are pulling. Kudos to Business Insider for this excellent reporting: https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipe...
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  In the grand scheme of things, she's a nobody. Story of her plagiarisms wouldn't be listed anywhere in normal circumstances. This is purely spite driven move to hurt Ackerman by proxy by publicly humiliating her.
  - computerex 3y ago
    You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Ackerman's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Ackerman I believe targeted college students. His wife is fair game.
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Academia's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Academia I believe targeted college students. They are all fair game. Or... I don't support Ackerman targeting students. See? It's that easy to not be partisan.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        I guess it's harder to spell people's names correctly.

jquery 3y ago

Her Wikipedia page is pretty long, she was a public figure long before this controversy, even ignoring the fact that simply being a billionaire invites public scrutiny.

AlbertCory 3y ago
Nonetheless, no one was calling out her plagiarism before they got their knickers in a twist over Claudine Gay. Pure meanness and revenge. Are they going to shadow his kids at school, too?
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
  It’s simple cause and effect. Not sure why it’s so hard for you to grasp.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    I grasp it perfectly. It's you who can't grasp bullying: "Oppose us, and we'll ruin you. And your family."
    - dekhn 3y ago
      I just want to check: you are reading Ackman's tweets, right?
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        I just want to check: what point are you attempting to make?
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        That Ackerman was the one who started with “oppose us and we’ll destroy you” by trying to doxx pro Palestinian protestors and going on a crusade to discredit universities. Turnabout is fair play.
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        It isn't "turnabout", it's "infantile striking out at everybody within sight." As for the "pro Palestinian protestors", they signed their names, did they not? Did they expect all would be forgiven when they try to get jobs?
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        It literally is exactly that. They are using the same tactics on him that he used on them. Sorry if you don’t like that, but that’s the reality.
        dekhn 3y ago
        OK, so my criticism of Ackman is actually "infantile striking out at everybody within sight". He made a series of escalating tweets that were truly baby-like, attacking BI, and saying he was gonna tell their daddy (Mathias Dopfner, CEO of Axel Springer, which owns BI) and when BI concluded they had done nothing wrong (the article was not motivated, and was based in fact) he just escalated further (threatening a lawsuit). I have some sympathy for Ackman, but the methods by which he is achieving his goals undermine his own arguments.
        AlbertCory 3y ago
        .. and you've still shown zero connection between his wife and Gay. Just one guy you don't like.

aredox 3y ago

Excuse me, but maybe read the article (and the links to several articles published on Neri Oxman). https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/style/neri-oxman-mit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/style/neri-oxman-mit.html https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-year-of-neri-oxman-is-pretty-much-upon-us https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-year-of-neri-o...

AlbertCory 3y ago
Excuse me, but I did read the articles. What was I supposed to see? That she was already a public figure? So what? What I did not see was any connection to the Claudine Gay affair. So there is none, correct?

computerex 3y ago

So holding people accountable is "mean and bullying"? The article points out the hypocrisy of Ackerman discrediting people for plagiarism while defending his serial plagiarist wife Neri Oxman: > Neri Oxman, a former MIT professor and celebrity within the world of academia, stole sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia, other scholars, and technical documents in her academic writing, Business Insider has found. She certainly sounds like a "public figure", certainly public enough to be held accountable for the crap she and her husband are pulling. Kudos to Business Insider for this excellent reporting: https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipedia-mit-dissertation-2024-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/neri-oxman-plagiarize-wikipe...

zeroCalories 3y ago
In the grand scheme of things, she's a nobody. Story of her plagiarisms wouldn't be listed anywhere in normal circumstances. This is purely spite driven move to hurt Ackerman by proxy by publicly humiliating her.
- computerex 3y ago
  You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Ackerman's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Ackerman I believe targeted college students. His wife is fair game.
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    You can make that argument if you wish. But then it goes both ways, and you must stand against Academia's actions in all this. You have to be consistent and have integrity. Academia I believe targeted college students. They are all fair game. Or... I don't support Ackerman targeting students. See? It's that easy to not be partisan.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      I guess it's harder to spell people's names correctly.