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Somehow in Norway where EVs make up more than 1/3 if entire vehicle stock on the road, it's not a problem. That's a seriously cold ass country.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Isn't most of norway's population concentrated in the southernmost part, around oslo? I would guess that electric car ownership is even more disproportionately concentrated there too. Checking wikipedia quickly it looks like oslo and chicago have similar winter temperatures, so chicago's cold snap would be an outlier for most norwegians too.
- piva00 3y ago
  It's concentrated in the south, yes, but people in Trondheim, Tromsø, Narvik, etc. also have EVs, they are everywhere in the country.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    OK, I probably should have left that part out then because at a quick look it seems like they still have comparable winter temps to chicago, and chicago's recent weather would be extreme in those places as well. Norway has much milder weather than I had assumed!
    - piva00 3y ago
      > Norway has much milder weather than I had assumed! Due to Earth's rotation affecting winds the western coasts of continents usually have much milder climate than the eastern coasts, most of Scandinavia has much milder climates than the same latitude on eastern North America. Except for the northern parts of Fenno-Scandia most places here have a quite mild temperature range during winter (I'd guess the southern 70% of Fenno-Scandia will vary between -15C to 0C throughout winter).
stonemetal12 3y ago
I wonder if models destined for Norway get better heaters.
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Someone 3y ago
FTA: "This means that Chicago's climate site spent about 35-36 hours below 0°F." https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68697/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Oslo-Norwayand https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68697/2023/Historical-Weather-d... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68746/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Trondheim-Norway https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68746/2023/Historical-Weather-d... show the daily highs didn’t get below 0°F in Oslo or Trondheim in 2023. So, it’s colder in Chicago now than is typical in those cities. They are in the south of Norway, but that’s also where most Norwegians live. Narvik is further north, and also didn’t have days below 0°F (https://weatherspark.com/h/y/82944/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Narvik-Norway https://weatherspark.com/h/y/82944/2023/Historical-Weather-d...) In general, land climates beat sea climates in extreme temperatures. Norway also benefits from the North Atlantic Current (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Current https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Current)
bbarn 3y ago
Chicago has half the population of the entire country of Norway, in a space 1/50th of the size. It also has extremes on both ends of the temperature spectrum. It's hardly a fair comparison. I spent 20 years in Chicago, the people there are used to and ready for winter extremes. Teslas have their fair share of issues, but the real problem in Chicago is relatively few people have access to home charging compared to the number that own EV's. It's one reason Teslas are so popular, as every other EV is a pain to charge exclusively with public charging. Reduce their range with cold, increase their charge time with cold, increase the rate of usage with cold (as it's too cold to use bikes and walk for many people) and yes - you're going to run into supply shortages during extremes. To prevent that, you'd need oversupply in the bulk of the year, and the footprint of Chicago and real-estate cost simply doesn't support that.
avgcorrection 3y ago
A lot of Norway isn’t amazingly cold compared to the interior US. Wikipedia tells me that the January mean temperatures in Chicago and Oslo are pretty similar. (Pretty confusing to read though because they each prioritize Fahrenheit and Celsius in opposite ways.) What you would typically worry about here—unless you live in one of the frigid parts—is distance and if you have to drive over a mountain.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

Isn't most of norway's population concentrated in the southernmost part, around oslo? I would guess that electric car ownership is even more disproportionately concentrated there too. Checking wikipedia quickly it looks like oslo and chicago have similar winter temperatures, so chicago's cold snap would be an outlier for most norwegians too.

piva00 3y ago
It's concentrated in the south, yes, but people in Trondheim, Tromsø, Narvik, etc. also have EVs, they are everywhere in the country.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  OK, I probably should have left that part out then because at a quick look it seems like they still have comparable winter temps to chicago, and chicago's recent weather would be extreme in those places as well. Norway has much milder weather than I had assumed!
  - piva00 3y ago
    > Norway has much milder weather than I had assumed! Due to Earth's rotation affecting winds the western coasts of continents usually have much milder climate than the eastern coasts, most of Scandinavia has much milder climates than the same latitude on eastern North America. Except for the northern parts of Fenno-Scandia most places here have a quite mild temperature range during winter (I'd guess the southern 70% of Fenno-Scandia will vary between -15C to 0C throughout winter).

stonemetal12 3y ago

I wonder if models destined for Norway get better heaters.

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Someone 3y ago

FTA: "This means that Chicago's climate site spent about 35-36 hours below 0°F." https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68697/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Oslo-Norwayand https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68697/2023/Historical-Weather-d... https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68746/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Trondheim-Norway https://weatherspark.com/h/y/68746/2023/Historical-Weather-d... show the daily highs didn’t get below 0°F in Oslo or Trondheim in 2023. So, it’s colder in Chicago now than is typical in those cities. They are in the south of Norway, but that’s also where most Norwegians live. Narvik is further north, and also didn’t have days below 0°F (https://weatherspark.com/h/y/82944/2023/Historical-Weather-during-2023-in-Narvik-Norway https://weatherspark.com/h/y/82944/2023/Historical-Weather-d...) In general, land climates beat sea climates in extreme temperatures. Norway also benefits from the North Atlantic Current (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Current https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Atlantic_Current)

bbarn 3y ago

Chicago has half the population of the entire country of Norway, in a space 1/50th of the size. It also has extremes on both ends of the temperature spectrum. It's hardly a fair comparison. I spent 20 years in Chicago, the people there are used to and ready for winter extremes. Teslas have their fair share of issues, but the real problem in Chicago is relatively few people have access to home charging compared to the number that own EV's. It's one reason Teslas are so popular, as every other EV is a pain to charge exclusively with public charging. Reduce their range with cold, increase their charge time with cold, increase the rate of usage with cold (as it's too cold to use bikes and walk for many people) and yes - you're going to run into supply shortages during extremes. To prevent that, you'd need oversupply in the bulk of the year, and the footprint of Chicago and real-estate cost simply doesn't support that.

avgcorrection 3y ago

A lot of Norway isn’t amazingly cold compared to the interior US. Wikipedia tells me that the January mean temperatures in Chicago and Oslo are pretty similar. (Pretty confusing to read though because they each prioritize Fahrenheit and Celsius in opposite ways.) What you would typically worry about here—unless you live in one of the frigid parts—is distance and if you have to drive over a mountain.