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You have no fellowship or sympathy with misogynists because you haven't seen them as human beings. Yes, it's horrible to hate women, but this isn't some random
by kiba 3y ago
You have no fellowship or sympathy with misogynists because you haven't seen them as human beings.
Yes, it's horrible to hate women, but this isn't some random things people decided to just one day do. There's a history behind it.
- sureglymop 3y agoFor most people, sympathy and empathy for other humans ends when those humans themselves show no sympathy or empathy for a group of other humans. To give an example: capital punishment. In practice this is an interesting problem to tackle though. One can completely denounce and shame people for their actions or ideologies, while at the same time showing some sympathy/empathy in wanting to address the root causes of why those people are like they are.
- toyg 3y agoWell, I wonder how many incels stopped feeling empathy for women after traumatic events in school. Adolescent girls can be incredibly cruel.
- DonHopkins 3y ago[flagged]
- thrwawaythygyh 3y agoYes. I would say it's more to do with a societal restructuring and changing things have been around for 1000s of years and expecting the past 50 years to just fundamentally alter humanity and for there to be no negative outcomes. And the assumption that everything prior to 50 years ago in how society was structured was bad because it was traditional. And then acting surprised when it doesn't translate into even replacement birthrates.
- DonHopkins 3y agoI prefer population reduction by misogynists not getting laid, over mass starvation, climate change, plagues, pandemics, warfare, nuclear winter, and radioactive fallout. Women who choose to not have sex with men who choose to hate them are doing humanity a service.
- caeril 3y agoYou have cause and effect completely backwards. NBA teams are NOT denying starter positions to paraplegics "because the paraplegics choose to hate basketball".
- orwin 3y agoNah, he's right. In my opinions, men staying online too much think women standards are high, but really they're not. Don't be annoying, frightening, and be nice, you'll get a date. Even when I was obese I had dates and relationships (less than before/after my obesity). I was lucky when I was young and spent time with basically 'hippies anarchists' who completely destroyed my false ideas about women, sex, and my own worth. I could have ended as an incel too.
- DonHopkins 3y agoMisogynists choose to be misogynists and can stop at any time they choose. Not paraplegics. Or do you disagree because you have personal first hand experience being a misogynist who is incapable of changing?
- AnimalMuppet 3y agoThere's a history behind it... but they aren't just helpless people in the path of forces that they can't resist. They still have agency. They may have been dealt a lousy hand, but they're still responsible for how they respond to it. Note well: I am not denying that "there's a history behind it". I am not denying that they were dealt a bad hand. What I am saying is that your post goes too far the other way. It denies incels their agency. They are still responsible what they choose to do with the hand they were dealt. One can sympathize with them for the bad hand they were dealt, and still not give them a free pass for misogyny.
- kiba 3y agoAgency is only useful if incels are self aware, desire to change, and have a pathway for changing themselves. One can sympathize with them for the bad hand they were dealt, and still not give them a free pass for misogyny. I am not giving them a free pass for misogyny.