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The DMA has surprisingly little effect on the US. In the EU has the 30% (or now 27%) been found illegal? I know they’re being forced to allow other app stores

by MBCook 3y ago

The DMA has surprisingly little effect on the US. In the EU has the 30% (or now 27%) been found illegal? I know they’re being forced to allow other app stores or side loading or something. But what about the fee?

lxgr 3y ago
I wouldn't be so sure about that. For obvious reasons, the US government and justice system is probably not interested in being the beta tester for such a regulation – they have relatively little to gain and much to lose. Even "green bubbles" seem to be a much bigger point of contention in US public discourse than sideloading/the 30% tax. But if the DMA it ends up working well well and consumers like it, and app store customers manage to sell that fact to the US voting population, the wind could change for Apple too.
- MBCook 3y ago
  What does the US have to lose? I don’t think that really matters at all. No one (in the legislative branches) cares enough to pass something about this. Is basically impossible to get things past anyway recently, even far more important things than this.
  - lxgr 3y ago
    Hurting one of its biggest companies for something that turns out to not be in the interest of the voting public after all would be kind of a big deal! Even an ineffective regulation that neither hurts nor harms consumers but ends up hurting Apple would probably be seen very negatively. > Is basically impossible to get things past anyway recently, even far more important things than this. Very true, and another point in favor of inertia. The only thing that could possibly break that is seeing a similar regulation be a slam dunk in a comparable market, but even then it's a big if, I agree.
    - MBCook 3y ago
      Yeah, I think the only way it is going to happen at this point is that if it proves successful in the EU then it’s quite possible we could get a law here in the US that basically says “we want that too or else“. I just don’t see us leading (or going in parallel) due to lack of interest/will.
arlcode 3y ago
Well if they try any shady business here (e.g. forcing a fee, limiting competitors contractually, lot's of big scary warnings for everything) the EU is standing by for rounds two, three etc. The regulatory rules passed in the DMA are written to allow action without the need to go through the whole legislative process. I predict it will come to that. Apple is gonna fight this tooth and nail to the very end. And unless they change their attitude and business practices, Europe has very little too lose by piling more and more rules on them. The 27% is not really a problem if there were a competitive market. If one emerges we'll see if not...see above.
- MBCook 3y ago
  27% only applies to the US. I’m curious to see what happens in the EU. Apple could do a couple of things to make their life easy but I know they’re gonna go down kicking and screaming and make things worse for themselves. It’s what they always do.

by MBCook 3y ago

lxgr 3y ago

I wouldn't be so sure about that. For obvious reasons, the US government and justice system is probably not interested in being the beta tester for such a regulation – they have relatively little to gain and much to lose. Even "green bubbles" seem to be a much bigger point of contention in US public discourse than sideloading/the 30% tax. But if the DMA it ends up working well well and consumers like it, and app store customers manage to sell that fact to the US voting population, the wind could change for Apple too.

MBCook 3y ago
What does the US have to lose? I don’t think that really matters at all. No one (in the legislative branches) cares enough to pass something about this. Is basically impossible to get things past anyway recently, even far more important things than this.
- lxgr 3y ago
  Hurting one of its biggest companies for something that turns out to not be in the interest of the voting public after all would be kind of a big deal! Even an ineffective regulation that neither hurts nor harms consumers but ends up hurting Apple would probably be seen very negatively. > Is basically impossible to get things past anyway recently, even far more important things than this. Very true, and another point in favor of inertia. The only thing that could possibly break that is seeing a similar regulation be a slam dunk in a comparable market, but even then it's a big if, I agree.
  - MBCook 3y ago
    Yeah, I think the only way it is going to happen at this point is that if it proves successful in the EU then it’s quite possible we could get a law here in the US that basically says “we want that too or else“. I just don’t see us leading (or going in parallel) due to lack of interest/will.

arlcode 3y ago

Well if they try any shady business here (e.g. forcing a fee, limiting competitors contractually, lot's of big scary warnings for everything) the EU is standing by for rounds two, three etc. The regulatory rules passed in the DMA are written to allow action without the need to go through the whole legislative process. I predict it will come to that. Apple is gonna fight this tooth and nail to the very end. And unless they change their attitude and business practices, Europe has very little too lose by piling more and more rules on them. The 27% is not really a problem if there were a competitive market. If one emerges we'll see if not...see above.

MBCook 3y ago
27% only applies to the US. I’m curious to see what happens in the EU. Apple could do a couple of things to make their life easy but I know they’re gonna go down kicking and screaming and make things worse for themselves. It’s what they always do.