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Search engines don't replicate the content, they index and point to it. When search engines have been caught replicating content they have been sued or had to w
by tedivm 3y ago
Search engines don't replicate the content, they index and point to it. When search engines have been caught replicating content they have been sued or had to work out licenses.
- bawolff 3y agoI mean, generative AI basically involves turning content into vectors in order to try and find related content. If that's not an index structure i don't know what is.
- kelnos 3y agoThe technical definition of how something works is often irrelevant in the eyes of the law. What matters is the output, and its effects. The output of a search engine is nothing like the output of generative AI.
- godelski 3y agoMost ML are certainly compression systems, as you imply. But reproduction and redistribution of copyright material is quite different than generating a service that allows someone to find said material. The question about caching is a different one, but I doubt it falls under the same intent, as Google is incentivized to cache content to better facilitate the search __and redirection__ service, not to facilitate distribution.
- Ukv 3y agoSearch engine caches work on an opt-out basis, which was found legal in Field v. Google Inc.
- 8note 3y agoHow do they make the index without ingesting a copy of the content?
- smt88 3y agoStoring a copy of the content isn't the relevant part. It's what that copy is used for. In a search engine, it's used to direct traffic to the original author. In Midjourney, it's used to create an alternative to the original author.
- derangedHorse 3y agoI certainly use the blurb in search results at times to get an alternative to the original author (especially if the blurbed content is paywalled).
- smt88 3y agoIn the US, that blurb is covered by fair use. Google doesn't regurgitate the entire published work. These many AI lawsuits will likely settle whether training LLMs falls under fair use.
- MacsHeadroom 3y ago> Google doesn't regurgitate the entire published work. Wrong. Here's Google's cache of an entire paywalled article currently on the front page of HN: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c-xOMjDWYXkJ:https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2024/01/alaska-arctic-voles-carbon-source-climate-change/677014/&hl=en&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:c-xOMj... You can get these by clicking the three dots next to any search result, expanding the options in the pop-over, and then clicking "cached."
- bawolff 3y agoI mean, it seems like casds of AI regurtitating entire works verbatim is pretty rare. It happens but is unusual. And also not really what this is about. If AI was just another libgenisis it would be a lot less controversial.
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- nickthegreek 3y agoYa that worked out real well for Genius.