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I wonder what effects AI ripping off today's artists will have on the next generation. They will grow up with AI "art" generators. Will they be concerned enough

I wonder what effects AI ripping off today's artists will have on the next generation. They will grow up with AI "art" generators. Will they be concerned enough about AI-ripping them off that the don't put out novel, "human-made" works of art? Will they put down the AI tools long enough to learn "manual" forms of art?

0xf00ff00f 3y ago
Yeah, it's over. Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site?
- andybak 3y ago
  The same reason there's been a huge resurgence in rediscovering "artisanal" methods in many fields. The same reason that photorealism as an artistic movement still exists despite photography existing. The same reason people still learn to play the piano.
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- SirMaster 3y ago
  Because they find the process of creativity and creation to be a fun way to spend their time? Why do people do anything that has an arguably better and more efficient option available?
- the_af 3y ago
  Have you ever taken a pencil or a brush to a blank sheet of paper? Thousands of people do and produce wonderful works of art. Even before the AI craze, not everyone embraced even "plain old" digital art. The physicality of feeling a graphite pencil scratching a blank page is gratifying and cannot be reproduced by typing a prompt somewhere online.
  - 0xf00ff00f 3y ago
    Yes, I like to draw (I'm awful at it though). The other day I saw a skilled artist on social media saying that it feels pointless after AI, and I found it really sad.
- skydhash 3y ago
  Because they want agency, creating something using a process where they have total control. It’s why people make music, do sculpting, write poetry. You can pay someone to do this for you, but it’s more gratifying to do it yourself.
  - whywhywhywhy 3y ago
    It doesn’t matter second you get a job you’ll have to prompt. Knowing any non-prompt skill just becomes a frustration, you know the machine can make the finished product in 5 seconds yet you have to spend the 20 hours it used to take when the output will just be judged against how many promptings could be done in those hours. It’s like a musket against the A10 gatling gun I’d never advise anyone to bother learning anything that’s promptable. Just embrace it because honestly everything else is over.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  Why would anyone play chess? Also, why did we all assume that art of all things was the pinnacle of human achievement?
  - the_af 3y ago
    Why wouldn't we assume this? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I guess anything you say, someone else will claim that's not it either.
    - brigadier132 3y ago
      Why would we assume anything? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate. Is that why artists took pride in themselves? Because they thought they couldn't be automated? Because some one said that art was important because of feelings?
      - the_af 3y ago
        > Why would we assume anything? [...] What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning. You're the one who talked about assumptions. Isn't it up to you to answer it? > Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate No, "clearly" nothing. I'm disagreeing with you here. > Because some one said that art was important because of feelings? Is anything that humans do important to you? If so, why? If not, why not? I'm going to show all my cards here: I think the nihilistic view that nothing ultimately matters so why worry about anything at all, and let's concede all battles, is antithetical to human existence. You're not outright espousing this nihilistic worldview, but you're coming quite close in my opinion. If you don't care about art, then pick something you do care about. If you don't care about anything enough, then all debate will be fruitless.
        brigadier132 3y ago
        > I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning > Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site? No I did not introduce this line of questioning. Anyway, it seems like a lot of "meaning" people get out of thing is actually completely based on pride and if there is something out there that can do it better it's not worth doing because their sense of pride is destroyed. In essence, humans reject the potential for a scarcity free paradise because of lack of "meaning" (aka pride). It's almost biblical.
- joegibbs 3y ago
  20 years ago people said “It’s all over for artists. You don’t even need to practice at it, you just press a few buttons in Photoshop and get a better result.” And 100 years ago they said “It’s all over for art, all you need to do is press a button on a camera and you get a perfect recreation.”
- dymk 3y ago
  I can buy a cutting board on Amazon for $20 or I can spend thousands on woodworking equipment to make my own. I choose to do the latter because it's fun.
colechristensen 3y ago
"Art" will move into a direction that's harder to copy, artists will use ML models to help them create, people will develop a sense of what is AI generated and it will begin to feel cheap. It's already pretty obvious, like the blog posts with AI generated images on the top. There's already a trend of people taking out of focus and motion blurred selfies. In whatever direction it takes, art will find what is difficult or obvious for AI to fake and then that will be valued. Think of it like this, aluminum used to be prized by kings, honored guests would get aluminum cutlery instead of gold. Aluminum got cheap, there are still fancy spoons.
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bearjaws 3y ago
The same effect type writers and printing had on Scribes and Scriptoriums - they won't be around, they won't be needed, people will not pay for them except for extremely niche scenarios.
- 0xf00ff00f 3y ago
  Artists create new things, scribes copied pre-existing works.
- skydhash 3y ago
  It’s not the same effect. People learned how to read and write, then the means of creation got cheaper. Now no one is learning how to draw and paint, they just create a random mashup of others works.

0xf00ff00f 3y ago

Yeah, it's over. Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site?

andybak 3y ago
The same reason there's been a huge resurgence in rediscovering "artisanal" methods in many fields. The same reason that photorealism as an artistic movement still exists despite photography existing. The same reason people still learn to play the piano.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
SirMaster 3y ago
Because they find the process of creativity and creation to be a fun way to spend their time? Why do people do anything that has an arguably better and more efficient option available?
the_af 3y ago
Have you ever taken a pencil or a brush to a blank sheet of paper? Thousands of people do and produce wonderful works of art. Even before the AI craze, not everyone embraced even "plain old" digital art. The physicality of feeling a graphite pencil scratching a blank page is gratifying and cannot be reproduced by typing a prompt somewhere online.
- 0xf00ff00f 3y ago
  Yes, I like to draw (I'm awful at it though). The other day I saw a skilled artist on social media saying that it feels pointless after AI, and I found it really sad.
skydhash 3y ago
Because they want agency, creating something using a process where they have total control. It’s why people make music, do sculpting, write poetry. You can pay someone to do this for you, but it’s more gratifying to do it yourself.
- whywhywhywhy 3y ago
  It doesn’t matter second you get a job you’ll have to prompt. Knowing any non-prompt skill just becomes a frustration, you know the machine can make the finished product in 5 seconds yet you have to spend the 20 hours it used to take when the output will just be judged against how many promptings could be done in those hours. It’s like a musket against the A10 gatling gun I’d never advise anyone to bother learning anything that’s promptable. Just embrace it because honestly everything else is over.
brigadier132 3y ago
Why would anyone play chess? Also, why did we all assume that art of all things was the pinnacle of human achievement?
- the_af 3y ago
  Why wouldn't we assume this? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I guess anything you say, someone else will claim that's not it either.
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    Why would we assume anything? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate. Is that why artists took pride in themselves? Because they thought they couldn't be automated? Because some one said that art was important because of feelings?
    - the_af 3y ago
      > Why would we assume anything? [...] What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning. You're the one who talked about assumptions. Isn't it up to you to answer it? > Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate No, "clearly" nothing. I'm disagreeing with you here. > Because some one said that art was important because of feelings? Is anything that humans do important to you? If so, why? If not, why not? I'm going to show all my cards here: I think the nihilistic view that nothing ultimately matters so why worry about anything at all, and let's concede all battles, is antithetical to human existence. You're not outright espousing this nihilistic worldview, but you're coming quite close in my opinion. If you don't care about art, then pick something you do care about. If you don't care about anything enough, then all debate will be fruitless.
      - brigadier132 3y ago
        > I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning > Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site? No I did not introduce this line of questioning. Anyway, it seems like a lot of "meaning" people get out of thing is actually completely based on pride and if there is something out there that can do it better it's not worth doing because their sense of pride is destroyed. In essence, humans reject the potential for a scarcity free paradise because of lack of "meaning" (aka pride). It's almost biblical.
joegibbs 3y ago
20 years ago people said “It’s all over for artists. You don’t even need to practice at it, you just press a few buttons in Photoshop and get a better result.” And 100 years ago they said “It’s all over for art, all you need to do is press a button on a camera and you get a perfect recreation.”
dymk 3y ago
I can buy a cutting board on Amazon for $20 or I can spend thousands on woodworking equipment to make my own. I choose to do the latter because it's fun.

colechristensen 3y ago

"Art" will move into a direction that's harder to copy, artists will use ML models to help them create, people will develop a sense of what is AI generated and it will begin to feel cheap. It's already pretty obvious, like the blog posts with AI generated images on the top. There's already a trend of people taking out of focus and motion blurred selfies. In whatever direction it takes, art will find what is difficult or obvious for AI to fake and then that will be valued. Think of it like this, aluminum used to be prized by kings, honored guests would get aluminum cutlery instead of gold. Aluminum got cheap, there are still fancy spoons.

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bearjaws 3y ago

The same effect type writers and printing had on Scribes and Scriptoriums - they won't be around, they won't be needed, people will not pay for them except for extremely niche scenarios.

0xf00ff00f 3y ago
Artists create new things, scribes copied pre-existing works.
skydhash 3y ago
It’s not the same effect. People learned how to read and write, then the means of creation got cheaper. Now no one is learning how to draw and paint, they just create a random mashup of others works.