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I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the

I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’

MWil 3y ago
this is what I get explicitly asking for "Cat and Girl" in the style of Dorothy Gambrell. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1196882198045917355/mwil_Cinematic_scene_-_Cat_and_Girl_-_detailed_color_pen__ink_c_e7189cc6-9296-4cbd-9c1c-009a9931132d.png?ex=65b93e69&is=65a6c969&hm=b7814546d1d3b5982ad294d88fe536254a9213d4f26c52b560d95339ac21fb59& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1...
- MWil 3y ago
  It gets even worse being MORE explicit about referencing THE '"Cat and Girl" online comic strip by Dorothy Gambrell'
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    More or less. Cat and Girl is interpreted as 2 not-proper nouns. But even when you just spam Dorothy Gambrell it doesn't get it. It doesn't seem to know the style individually, at all.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  That’s what I was afraid of. This comic reads like someone complaining about an imaginary problem, not a real one. (The images generated here are lovely though)
dartos 3y ago
What’s hacky about it? They’re using the discord chat bot interaction tools to make interactions for their chat bot. They also have a UI on their website, not sure if it’s still closed or not.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  It's still closed. It's hacky because Discord is generally a messaging app. You can wedge things into messaging apps but the UI is suboptimal. I did an AI art symposium at Google towards fall 2022 and it was __impossible__ to explain to a designer how to use it in under 2 minutes. Ended up dropping it entirely.
  - dartos 3y ago
    I find it very hard to believe that it was impossible to explain how to use the basics midjourny’s discord bot in 2 mins.
    - jazzyjackson 3y ago
      Discord is just Kryptonite to some people, myself included. I eventually got used to it but I don't enjoy it. First time trying to log in it didn't believe I was a human + the way most servers have you add a react emoji to confirm you read the rules and only then do you actually see the channels available to you, not to mention all the alert sounds with no visual indication of what just alerted, something about it just makes me feel old.
    - refulgentis 3y ago
      I would have going in, but it seems obvious in retrospect. #1 Remember, designers, these aren't people who know who or what or when an IRC is. #2 To even get going, you have to be able to mentally model the chat entry as a command line, and have an intuitive understanding of a slash command. #3 The conceit was there were 3 laptop stations, one for Dall-E, one for Midjourney, one for Imagen, and they were rotating stations every couple of minutes. Adding time pressure didn't help. Another way to think about it, real dialogue we had: wait, I'm at a chat app...okay where you chat, you want me to type slash...okay then imagine...wait whoa what was the menu that popped up after slash...wait whoa why did it go away...okay slash, and what do i type after that?...okay, imagine...wait, no space? okay '/imagine'...wait can I just load Dalle-E that was easier?
- mock-possum 3y ago
refulgentis 3y ago
oddly, seemingly impossible. https://imgur.com/a/7HAfL5w https://imgur.com/a/7HAfL5w (5 trials)
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Yeah that’s what I was afraid of. It’s hard to be sympathetic to someone complaining about something that’s not actually happening to them :/
kraig911 3y ago
It's just a prompt to say using thick pen line art cartoon of a something something. Midjourney kind of sucks though in this cartoon style for most things unless it's a one off. Last I tried I couldn't make a 'comic' per se as the context and style would be off panel to panel. I paint and draw a lot for fun and love to play with these as ways to see ideas before expanding on the time to make them. I'd gladly pay as an artist a very small fee to use something that is worth a damn to experiment with. I hate the thought though that people are creating final imagery with AI created painting/imagery without a thought of what it took to create it.
MWil 3y ago
what you'd really need to do is actually a custom --style that is trained on her images specifically, which midjourney allows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4d4UP7w2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4d4UP7w2c

I have no patience for midjourney’s hacky-ass discord interface so - is anyone with access able to weigh in on how effectively one can generate images aping the style of ‘cat and girl?’

MWil 3y ago

this is what I get explicitly asking for "Cat and Girl" in the style of Dorothy Gambrell. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1196882198045917355/mwil_Cinematic_scene_-_Cat_and_Girl_-_detailed_color_pen__ink_c_e7189cc6-9296-4cbd-9c1c-009a9931132d.png?ex=65b93e69&is=65a6c969&hm=b7814546d1d3b5982ad294d88fe536254a9213d4f26c52b560d95339ac21fb59& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098302916395270235/1...

MWil 3y ago
It gets even worse being MORE explicit about referencing THE '"Cat and Girl" online comic strip by Dorothy Gambrell'
- refulgentis 3y ago
  More or less. Cat and Girl is interpreted as 2 not-proper nouns. But even when you just spam Dorothy Gambrell it doesn't get it. It doesn't seem to know the style individually, at all.
mock-possum 3y ago
That’s what I was afraid of. This comic reads like someone complaining about an imaginary problem, not a real one. (The images generated here are lovely though)

dartos 3y ago

What’s hacky about it? They’re using the discord chat bot interaction tools to make interactions for their chat bot. They also have a UI on their website, not sure if it’s still closed or not.

refulgentis 3y ago
It's still closed. It's hacky because Discord is generally a messaging app. You can wedge things into messaging apps but the UI is suboptimal. I did an AI art symposium at Google towards fall 2022 and it was __impossible__ to explain to a designer how to use it in under 2 minutes. Ended up dropping it entirely.
- dartos 3y ago
  I find it very hard to believe that it was impossible to explain how to use the basics midjourny’s discord bot in 2 mins.
  - jazzyjackson 3y ago
    Discord is just Kryptonite to some people, myself included. I eventually got used to it but I don't enjoy it. First time trying to log in it didn't believe I was a human + the way most servers have you add a react emoji to confirm you read the rules and only then do you actually see the channels available to you, not to mention all the alert sounds with no visual indication of what just alerted, something about it just makes me feel old.
  - refulgentis 3y ago
    I would have going in, but it seems obvious in retrospect. #1 Remember, designers, these aren't people who know who or what or when an IRC is. #2 To even get going, you have to be able to mentally model the chat entry as a command line, and have an intuitive understanding of a slash command. #3 The conceit was there were 3 laptop stations, one for Dall-E, one for Midjourney, one for Imagen, and they were rotating stations every couple of minutes. Adding time pressure didn't help. Another way to think about it, real dialogue we had: wait, I'm at a chat app...okay where you chat, you want me to type slash...okay then imagine...wait whoa what was the menu that popped up after slash...wait whoa why did it go away...okay slash, and what do i type after that?...okay, imagine...wait, no space? okay '/imagine'...wait can I just load Dalle-E that was easier?
mock-possum 3y ago

refulgentis 3y ago

oddly, seemingly impossible. https://imgur.com/a/7HAfL5w https://imgur.com/a/7HAfL5w (5 trials)

mock-possum 3y ago
Yeah that’s what I was afraid of. It’s hard to be sympathetic to someone complaining about something that’s not actually happening to them :/

kraig911 3y ago

It's just a prompt to say using thick pen line art cartoon of a something something. Midjourney kind of sucks though in this cartoon style for most things unless it's a one off. Last I tried I couldn't make a 'comic' per se as the context and style would be off panel to panel. I paint and draw a lot for fun and love to play with these as ways to see ideas before expanding on the time to make them. I'd gladly pay as an artist a very small fee to use something that is worth a damn to experiment with. I hate the thought though that people are creating final imagery with AI created painting/imagery without a thought of what it took to create it.

MWil 3y ago

what you'd really need to do is actually a custom --style that is trained on her images specifically, which midjourney allows https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4d4UP7w2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4d4UP7w2c