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It would be interesting to understand the threads that connect the Venice SS with the Whitehouse' SS .. was the precedent of the former used to establish the mo

It would be interesting to understand the threads that connect the Venice SS with the Whitehouse' SS .. was the precedent of the former used to establish the modern variant?

chewz 3y ago
Venice was the precursory of modern Western states. It had invented many things that we take for granted now. Read "Inventing the World: Venice and the Transformation of Western Civilization" [1] > Whether it was boats or money, medicine or face cream, opera, semicolons, tiramisu or child-labor laws, these all originated in Venice and have shaped contemporary notions of institutions and conventions ever since. The foundation of how we now think about community, health care, money, consumerism, and globalization all sprung forth from the Laguna Veneta. And Venetian Council of Ten and its spies had been known and feared by many visitors to Venice in XVIII century when Venice ceased being an empire and became a must visit place for guest from all over Europe. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084JMFGS9/?coliid=IAFJVQ9O6WTHR&colid=36Y6KIRO4X94U&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084JMFGS9/?coliid=IAFJVQ9O6WTHR&c...
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Interesting, thanks for that -had been aware of it before, but now I've got some studying to do ..
- dekhn 3y ago
  Don't forget glass. They moved all the glassmakers to a closed island next to the main island and viciously protected their intellectual property to maintain a monopoly on high quality glasses for a long time. I really start to wonder about island nations/seafaring countries, shipping/maritime industry, and their extraordinary success.
jameshart 3y ago
Applying the name ‘secret service’ to Venice’s council of ten seems to be a choice by the author, not an actual contemporary naming. (By the way, I’d avoid using the acronym for ‘secret service’) The US Secret Service has its origins as a federal anti counterfeiting police force which over time migrated into executive protection duties - it’s not the same role that in other countries and times has been given the name of a ‘secret service’ or ‘secret police’. The modern US Secret Service probably has more in common, in this era, with the role of the Swiss guards at the Vatican - a personal bodyguard unit attached to and loyal to an office not the officeholder. The Venice example given is much more of a parallel to a total state security apparatus like the KGB, with combined internal security and foreign intelligence gathering roles.

It would be interesting to understand the threads that connect the Venice SS with the Whitehouse' SS .. was the precedent of the former used to establish the modern variant?

chewz 3y ago

Venice was the precursory of modern Western states. It had invented many things that we take for granted now. Read "Inventing the World: Venice and the Transformation of Western Civilization" [1] > Whether it was boats or money, medicine or face cream, opera, semicolons, tiramisu or child-labor laws, these all originated in Venice and have shaped contemporary notions of institutions and conventions ever since. The foundation of how we now think about community, health care, money, consumerism, and globalization all sprung forth from the Laguna Veneta. And Venetian Council of Ten and its spies had been known and feared by many visitors to Venice in XVIII century when Venice ceased being an empire and became a must visit place for guest from all over Europe. [1] - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084JMFGS9/?coliid=IAFJVQ9O6WTHR&colid=36Y6KIRO4X94U&psc=0&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084JMFGS9/?coliid=IAFJVQ9O6WTHR&c...

boffinAudio 3y ago
Interesting, thanks for that -had been aware of it before, but now I've got some studying to do ..
dekhn 3y ago
Don't forget glass. They moved all the glassmakers to a closed island next to the main island and viciously protected their intellectual property to maintain a monopoly on high quality glasses for a long time. I really start to wonder about island nations/seafaring countries, shipping/maritime industry, and their extraordinary success.

jameshart 3y ago

Applying the name ‘secret service’ to Venice’s council of ten seems to be a choice by the author, not an actual contemporary naming. (By the way, I’d avoid using the acronym for ‘secret service’) The US Secret Service has its origins as a federal anti counterfeiting police force which over time migrated into executive protection duties - it’s not the same role that in other countries and times has been given the name of a ‘secret service’ or ‘secret police’. The modern US Secret Service probably has more in common, in this era, with the role of the Swiss guards at the Vatican - a personal bodyguard unit attached to and loyal to an office not the officeholder. The Venice example given is much more of a parallel to a total state security apparatus like the KGB, with combined internal security and foreign intelligence gathering roles.