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Care to list some of the basic tenants of nutrition that are widely agreed upon? About the only things I see as generally accepted are to eat a varied diet (wh

Care to list some of the basic tenants of nutrition that are widely agreed upon? About the only things I see as generally accepted are to eat a varied diet (whatever that means), keep total consumed caloric content near the amount expended, eat at least the RDA of micronutrients, and drink enough water to avoid overt dehydration.

unsupp0rted 3y ago
And we're not even sure what the RDA should be, half the time.
Retric 3y ago
At a practical level nutrition isn’t generally a problem, but that says more about the human body / food than the lack of scientific knowledge. There is a long list of things that cannot be synthesized by people and must be consumed. (Elements like Potassium as well as specific nutrients like Vitamin C and Thiamine being well known.) There’s a longer list of things than can be synthesized but should largely be consumed ex: Linoleic acid (LA), an omega-6 fatty acid, and α-linolenic acid (ALA), an omega-3 fatty acid, are considered essential fatty acids because they cannot be synthesized by humans. The long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), can be synthesized from ALA, but due to low conversion efficiency, it is recommended to consume foods rich in EPA and DHA. There’s also a lot of basic facts that get complicated when you dig into them. For example calories produced by burning foods isn’t 1:1 with the calories available to people. Cellulose for example burns but is effectively indigestible. One way to investigate this is to have some eat something and then burn their poop, followed by many studies that do so for various reasons. There’s also a lot of nutrition science that straddles the line with medicine. Thus there exists many specialized diets for various conditions etc.
edanm 3y ago
I'm not a nutrition scientist, so obviously not at all an expert that can probably chime in with some more findings. But generally - yes, afaik there's mostly a consensus that total caloric intake is the driver of amount of adiposity, that maintaining a 10%-20% body fat percentage (for men) is optimal for long term health, that most diets are close from a health and fat-loss perspective - meaning, amount of adiposity is the main driver of long-term bad health, especially as compared to individual ingredients. There are some things that are known to be specifically problematic, e.g. trans-fats, at any amounts. And there are healthier and less healthy foods, some of which we know - but total caloric intake is the only driver of body composition, and a bigger driver of body health. Most of this is basic - probably because, as I said, I'm not a nutrition scientist myself so only understand the basics myself. That said, a large part of the population doesn't even understand these basics either, preferring to constantly talk about and argue about specific diets, keto vs. vegan vs. whatever. And science mostly has that question covered, as far as we can tell right now. For a more in-depth take on this from someone who actually is an expert, I recommend videos by Mike Israetel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FM9VAH_EXw&list=PLyqKj7LwU2RvpAB-HbJmkWXqaEIWJfA0K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FM9VAH_EXw&list=PLyqKj7LwU2... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeZVfPxwKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeZVfPxwKM

unsupp0rted 3y ago

And we're not even sure what the RDA should be, half the time.

Retric 3y ago

At a practical level nutrition isn’t generally a problem, but that says more about the human body / food than the lack of scientific knowledge. There is a long list of things that cannot be synthesized by people and must be consumed. (Elements like Potassium as well as specific nutrients like Vitamin C and Thiamine being well known.) There’s a longer list of things than can be synthesized but should largely be consumed ex: Linoleic acid (LA), an omega-6 fatty acid, and α-linolenic acid (ALA), an omega-3 fatty acid, are considered essential fatty acids because they cannot be synthesized by humans. The long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), can be synthesized from ALA, but due to low conversion efficiency, it is recommended to consume foods rich in EPA and DHA. There’s also a lot of basic facts that get complicated when you dig into them. For example calories produced by burning foods isn’t 1:1 with the calories available to people. Cellulose for example burns but is effectively indigestible. One way to investigate this is to have some eat something and then burn their poop, followed by many studies that do so for various reasons. There’s also a lot of nutrition science that straddles the line with medicine. Thus there exists many specialized diets for various conditions etc.

edanm 3y ago

I'm not a nutrition scientist, so obviously not at all an expert that can probably chime in with some more findings. But generally - yes, afaik there's mostly a consensus that total caloric intake is the driver of amount of adiposity, that maintaining a 10%-20% body fat percentage (for men) is optimal for long term health, that most diets are close from a health and fat-loss perspective - meaning, amount of adiposity is the main driver of long-term bad health, especially as compared to individual ingredients. There are some things that are known to be specifically problematic, e.g. trans-fats, at any amounts. And there are healthier and less healthy foods, some of which we know - but total caloric intake is the only driver of body composition, and a bigger driver of body health. Most of this is basic - probably because, as I said, I'm not a nutrition scientist myself so only understand the basics myself. That said, a large part of the population doesn't even understand these basics either, preferring to constantly talk about and argue about specific diets, keto vs. vegan vs. whatever. And science mostly has that question covered, as far as we can tell right now. For a more in-depth take on this from someone who actually is an expert, I recommend videos by Mike Israetel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FM9VAH_EXw&list=PLyqKj7LwU2RvpAB-HbJmkWXqaEIWJfA0K https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FM9VAH_EXw&list=PLyqKj7LwU2... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeZVfPxwKM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYeZVfPxwKM